The great Koran con trick

New Statesman (U.K.) ^ | 12/10/2001 | Martin Bright

[vrwc54]

Interesting...thanks for the ping.

[Publius6961]

BUMP

[chance33_98]

Why has the work of these academics received so little attention? In part, this must be due to the attitude of liberal intellectuals in the west and their counterparts in the Muslim world, who have failed to engage with their work, or tiptoed around it for fear of offending Muslim sensibilities

They have no problem offending Christians, but no one wants to upset any of the other faiths like Muslims, wicca, buddhism, etc.

[AGAviator]

You're halfway there. Jews and Arabs are genetically indistinguishable.

The news that a recent scientific paper on the common genetic roots of Jews and Palestinians had been suppressed by learned journals, because of the political sensitivity of its conclusions, made for depressing reading. Findings that might have provided reason for hope, or even for solidarity between the Arab and Israeli peoples, were instead considered too hot to handle

You still need to work on this one, though

the attraction of Islam's message of conquest and jihad for the tribes of the Arabian peninsula

To find out who introduced the "message of conquest" to the region, look no farther than your own scriptures.

[dennisw]

The news that a recent scientific paper on the common genetic roots of Jews and Palestinians had been suppressed by learned journals, because of the political sensitivity of its conclusions, made for depressing reading. Findings that might have provided reason for hope, or even for solidarity between the Arab and Israeli peoples, were instead considered too hot to handle

 

I've been trying to tell you fools for months that 43% of Israelis are Jews who were booted from the Arab Muslim nations. Yet you Islam first types persist in trying to make Israel seem purely a European project.

So Jews booted from Arab nations have some similar blood to Arabs. Is this really a surprise?
That paper you refer to used politicalized pro-Islamic language and that's why it was pulled.

[dennisw]

Hey AGAviator! Islam's got you conned. That's fer sure.

[neutrino]

Good post! Thanks!

[DonQ]

My knowledge of the Koran is superficial but I had read, from a reliable account, that the quotations from the Koran that appear in gold on the inside of the ceiling of the Dome of the Rock, in Jerusalem, and supposedly first written there around the 7th or 8th century and thereafter occasionally regilded without change, are different from the corresponding passages in the "textus receptus" of the Koran text. Apparently it was decided, under one of the Caliphs, to impose one standard Arabic text as the universal text, and destroy any variant manuscripts. Occasionally someone finds a scrap of one of those other versions.

[lavaroise]

they have left the field open to the radical right in the United States, where it has been used to justify a crusading, Christian fundamentalist approach to Islam

hmmm.... what the hell is this oxymoron all about? Christians fundamentalists are not about crusades, they are about believing the Bible without imposing it on others. I know calling oneself Jesus Son of G_d maybe fundamentalist eccentricity for myself, a Jewish G_d believer, but it does not hurt nor is a plan to force on any body this claim.

This text also start in a Nazi eugenic unity between Jews and Palies that is a fundamental lie. Palies are Philistines.

While the muslim con game is obvious, this article goes to great length to appologize to muslims by saying christians are wrong and Jews are wrong too. In fact this paper is about leftist fundamentalism. What awful and sad PC inclusive contortion leftists go through when they approach the truth. Amazing.

[y2k_citizen]

http://realislam.org/

[DonQ]

Islam is, to put it delicately, inhospitable to non-Moslems who attempt to analyze the Koran ... especially if they reach conclusions incompatible with Moslem doctrine. I'll have to admit that Islam isn't the only religion that gets cranky when nonbelievers come up with unsympathetic conclusions about their holy writ, but Islam may be the only one that makes a point of trying to kill those nonbelievers.

It has long been known that Mohammed was much influenced by the folklore of his environment. He certainly knew something of the Jewish and Christian scriptures, and of their non-scriptural folklore (e.g., interpretations and stories in Talmudic literature), but he sometimes either got it seriously wrong (e.g., he puts Haman, the villain from the Scroll of Esther, among the courtiers of the Pharoah in the story of Exodus, an error of about 5 centuries and 5000 miles) or he put a new spin on it (e.g., Ishmael, not Isaac, is the beloved son that Abraham was tested with, and it is Ishmael, not Isaac, who carries Abraham's legacy). Of course, if you say this sort of thing out loud in a Moslem country, things can get really ugly. Heck, things can get ugly if you say these things on most American college campuses.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Another Muslim con game. How come I'm not so surprised?

Hehehe, that makes two of us.

[AGAviator]

Islam's got you conned. That's fer sure

So who's your excuse?

King Herod?

[StriperSniper]

Dr. Jack Wheeler

[Lent]

Looks like most of Islam, its history, treatment of the people it conquered, etc. is a whole lot of fraud. These scholars have a duty to bring this stuff to the fore to deal with all the lies about Islam as the historical "religion of peace", etc. Must be fatwa scared.

[AGAviator]

If you want start with fraud, start with the fairy tale that the Creator is only concerned with a small minority of the world's population and has deeded them a piece of land in perpetuity.

[katana]

Have to disagree on a not-so-small point. The Philistines, as described in the Old Testament, have been identified through modern archaeology in the region as most likely of Greek origin. They were "settlers" who had landed in and occupied the coastal plain of what is now Israel and Lebanon. They are probably related to the "Sea Peoples" who conquered the Nile River delta at around the same time and are mentioned in Egyptian texts. For comparison, picture the Viking conquests of the coasts of Britain, Ireland, and Normandy in France

The Palestinians (or "Falasteeni" in Arabic) derive that name from where they live, not because they bear any relationship to a race of people who disappeared from the scene more than 2,000 years ago. The Palestinians are as much Arab (and therefore directly related to the Jews) as the Lebanese and the Syrians.

[ArGee]

that the Koran as we know it today was compiled, or perhaps even written, long after Mohammad's supposed death in 632AD

I am currently reading the Qur'an for the first time. It isn't gripping me, but I did notice that the second Surah seems to have many references to the people who have rejected Islam. Since the Surahs were supposed to have been given to Mohammed in successive years, the second would have been given long before the religion of Islam existed. Yet it contains a lot of language regarding those who have rejected Allah and the message in the Qur'an.

If this statement is true, it would explain my quandry.

Just my $.02.

Shalom.

[an amused spectator]

Heck, things can get ugly if you say these things on most American college campuses.

It is to laugh. :-)

The great Horowitz would have smiled at your turn of phrase.

[timestax]

OH MY GOSH !!