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Cliff Gardner: Latest Rancher to Fall Victim to the Western Federal Juggernaut
The Sierra Times ^ | 12.07.01 | Sierra Times Staff

Posted on 12/07/2001 4:34:01 PM PST by brityank

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1 posted on 12/07/2001 4:34:01 PM PST by brityank (brityank@FReepmail)
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To: farmfriend; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Helen; Mama_Bear; poet; Grampa Dave; doug from upland...
Another fiasco of our government.
2 posted on 12/07/2001 4:36:10 PM PST by brityank
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To: Quila
And you still think that the watermelon orgs and the government are the better husbander of our resources?
4 posted on 12/07/2001 4:48:28 PM PST by brityank
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To: brityank
Thanks for the ping on this. Very important to me. Have we been indexing these stories? Do we have an index for these stories?
5 posted on 12/07/2001 4:49:29 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: brityank
I almost wish you hadn't "pinged" me to see this. I have tried so hard not to slip down the slippery slope from skepticism into cynicism. It's getting harder to listen to those who "feel" we shouldn't "hate" our government and continue to support the "democratic process" in our formerly "free republic!"

The Judicial Branch was the last refuge of the individual under attack by "Mobocracy" (the tyranny of the majority), now even that is lost... desperately sad!

6 posted on 12/07/2001 4:59:01 PM PST by SierraWasp
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To: farmfriend
The one's I've posted are in my bookmark file here on FR. I don't know if there's another way to index them.
7 posted on 12/07/2001 5:33:52 PM PST by brityank
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To: SierraWasp; brityank
I almost wish you hadn't "pinged" me to see this. I have tried so hard not to slip down the slippery slope from skepticism into cynicism.

I know what you mean. As a farmer... I am becoming more and more upset by these things. When I first started to hear about them, I got mad. I wrote letters. I went to rallys. I posted here on FR so that others would learn. I still do those things... but with a heavier heart and with more tears. Every time I do a self search and see an article like this, my heart sinks into my stomache.

However... Thanks for the heads up brityank. As much as it hurts, I want to know about these things. Looking away and pretending I don't know, will only make for one less voice in our fight. For the wrong thing to do is nothing.

8 posted on 12/07/2001 5:39:53 PM PST by Bump in the night
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To: brityank; farmfriend; Snow Bunny; Bump in the night; GrandmaC; Jeff Head; Carry_Okie; Taxman
I was at the Federal Court House during the trial yesterday, perhaps Federal persecution may be the better word. After the trial the Judge set the sentencing date for March 11, at 4:00pm and the Prosecutor jumped up asking that sentencing be done immediately. He didn't like it when the Judge said, "No, it will be March 11, as I have stated".

The crazy part about the trial was when the Judge declared Cliff GUILTY. He said there was no imminent danger for fire and Cliff should not have put his cattle out to graze. A cow only can eat about 30 pounds of grass a day. I would imagine if you fenced a cow into a pen 30 by 40, it could clean out the wild grass in one day. (my estimate of 30 pounds of wild grass) but cattle walk and eat. They do not graze in one place until there is no more feed then move on. So if a lightening strike is going to cause another fire, as it did in 1996, where is the warning? Bad weather doesn't give three month warnings, especially lightening strikes.

If the Forestry Dept doesn't want to go in and cut the grass, what protection does Cliff and Bertha have from losing their home, stables and barn to another fire, especially a lightening strike fire?

9 posted on 12/07/2001 6:13:01 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: farmfriend
NV: Rancher Challenges Court's Jurisdiction

Cliff Gardner: Latest Rancher to Fall Victim to the Western Federal Juggernaut

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10 posted on 12/07/2001 6:18:08 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
sad bump
11 posted on 12/07/2001 6:18:44 PM PST by Issaquahking
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To: brityank
The decline and fall of freedom. As for me, I put my trust and faith in Yashua Messiah because I know man cannot dispense justice, but, only administer the law!
12 posted on 12/07/2001 6:21:38 PM PST by poet
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Don't mean to upset anyone, but how the h**l to the Dubya worshippers defend this sort of thing? Is it easiest to simply do the Limbaugh thing and aver defense through silence? The man is President now, and there's a whole lotta things he's doing nothing about. And don't give me that "he's gotta concentrate on the war" stuff. The Kid.
13 posted on 12/07/2001 6:50:07 PM PST by warchild9
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To: B4Ranch; Issaquahking; nunya bidness; Lurker; Noumenon
They're going to push this to a fight.

I talked long into the night with some of those Elko boys when I was at Jarbidge ... the government is severally underestimating the resolve of these folks ... just like they are at Klamath.

I tell you boys ... I'm very concerned. They seem to be hell bent on pushing these people off the land with this "Rural Cleansing" and they are going to run it into a brick wall one day soon. It's as if they have decided to go for it and push these people to the breaking point ... and with some of the new laws, I'll bet they label them terrorists if they stand up and fight.

Well, they better be prepared for a lot of that particular brand in my estimation if the good Lord doesnt touch their hearts or if they don;t turn to reason and to fulfilling their oath to the Constitution soon.

14 posted on 12/07/2001 6:54:10 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Washington_minuteman; artisan001; soundbits; Coyote
They're going to push this to a fight.

I talked long into the night with some of those Elko boys when I was at Jarbidge ... the government is severally underestimating the resolve of these folks ... just like they are at Klamath.

I tell you boys ... I'm very concerned. They seem to be hell bent on pushing these people off the land with this "Rural Cleansing" and they are going to run it into a brick wall one day soon. It's as if they have decided to go for it and push these people to the breaking point ... and with some of the new laws, I'll bet they label them terrorists if they stand up and fight.

Well, they better be prepared for a lot of that particular brand in my estimation if the good Lord doesnt touch their hearts or if they don;t turn to reason and to fulfilling their oath to the Constitution soon.

15 posted on 12/07/2001 6:55:02 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
They're going to push this to a fight.

It's a good thing I'm not paranoid, otherwise I'd think that BLM and the bambi brigade want a fight.

16 posted on 12/07/2001 7:42:57 PM PST by Valin
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Jeff,

We were there when Helen Chenoweth said that if it could happen to her and her husband it could happen to anyone.

I have my bags packed and I'm ready. All I need is the word.

17 posted on 12/07/2001 7:56:46 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: B4Ranch
This situation is sickening and heartbreaking.

Is there nothing that can be done about this revolting situation?

18 posted on 12/07/2001 8:14:40 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
I think that this will be pushed until the people revolt with guns in their hands. Hopefully it will be settled with no shots being fired by either side.

"WHAT IS A PATRIOT?"

PATRIOTS are not "Revolutionaries" trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are "Counter-Revolutionaries" trying to prevent the government of the United States from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author

What brings the PATRIOTS out of the woodwork?

When the constitutional process, the system of checks and balances set up by the Founders, has not just been thrown out of kilter, it has been thrown out the window. These socialist maneuvers are what attracts PATRIOTS to the streets of America.

19 posted on 12/07/2001 8:43:48 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Thanks for the links.
20 posted on 12/07/2001 8:47:00 PM PST by farmfriend
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