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Neurotheologists Claim Religion is all in the Mind
Source: The Times via Cosmiverse website ^ | November 27, 2001 | Source: The Times

Posted on 11/27/2001 9:32:17 PM PST by prisoner6

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To: prisoner6; 4TheFlag
Thanks for posting this article ...... I meant to flag you on my previous remark, too....consider yourself flagged... (:

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To both...

Oh.....and...

† † † GOD BLESS US EVERYONE † † †

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There....my mind, my HEART, AND my SOUL... all feel MUCH BETTER now...

21 posted on 11/27/2001 10:19:44 PM PST by Pray4USA
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To: prisoner6
If I recall he was one of the first people - I won't say scientist

My brother-in-law used to get furious with Sagan, saying that he delt with science opinion, not science fact.

Oh and I had LOTS more hair.

Youth...it's wasted on the young. One thing can be said for aging though...it beats the alternative. :^)

22 posted on 11/27/2001 10:23:35 PM PST by Samwise
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To: truth_seeker
Gosh I wish I wan't at work and had more time for this thread.

Start quick ramble - Carl Yung...collective thought...the Great Mind...the One Mind...God in us all...the soul, perhaps that bit of the collective that resides in us all, and returns to the collective...reincarnation, not in a strict sense but as a reformulation of the energy of The Spirit or soul. - /ramble

Years ago a very close friend and I were working on an admittedly junk science book. The working title was "The Off The Wall Book Of Physics" although that was really a misnomner. Over the course of about a year it became more a book on philosophy and theology. We had concoted rather intricate models of Life, The Universe, and Everything to steal a phrase.

Sadly the work came to an end when my friend, who at one time was a very intelligent fellow, went quite mad while trying to resolve some of the Great Mysteries and moved to a different level via a shotgun in his mouth.

I'd add that before working with this fellow I had quite a fascination with a philosophy teacher in college. She never groomed, barely bathed and wore ragged clothes, basically whatever happened to be handy. Her holy grail was to reduce logic to mathmatics.

Before we finally parted she warned me that to those not strong of faith or mind, pondering The Great Mysteries could prove fatal. One might become so abosorbed in thought one might go mad.

That's what happened to the fellow I was writing about. Ever since his death I backed off and now only occasionally dip my toe in the pool.

prisoner6

23 posted on 11/27/2001 10:30:32 PM PST by prisoner6
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To: prisoner6
Oh and I had LOTS more hair.

But I'll bet the "babes" did too.

24 posted on 11/27/2001 10:37:42 PM PST by Octar
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To: prisoner6
Hm. Thomas Pulse... wonder if it's just another name for what these guys are pushing: http://innervoyager.com/grid01.html
25 posted on 11/27/2001 10:38:56 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Oh that is TOO funny!

Here's an excerpt I found especially hilarious.

The (Inner,hyper)-Dimensional Grid configuration can be buried in the ground and use as an artificial grid. This grid system could also be used as a portable grid point in moving vehicle for various science projects.

The grid consists of a pair of 3/4" copper tubing forming a cross with a multi-dimensional Sirian PHI amplifier in the center which creates an energy whirl. Both rods are filled with quartz crystal shavings.

The Rods are wrapped in clockwise-counterclockwise rotation with 21 gage magnet wire forming a Mobius electro magnet. The length of the rods is based the harmonics of an exponential function of the PHI ratio (1.618034..).

The dials on the IDR can set to the harmonic values of the spiritual or well being level one wants to reach. A pendulum or rubbing plate may use to program the circuitry.

Interestingly enough these folks disabled the "copy" function on their website, however some of us are bit more clever than they are.

I think I'm gonna order my (Inner-Hyper) Dimensional Grid with the Deluxe extra Chakra plates as well as a Rubbing Plate ( which sounds just erotically divine!). Of course that boosts the price up to near 2 thousand bucks but hey, when it comes to spiritual bliss one can't be concerned about cost!

Krishna krishna, rama rama, Ommmmmmmmmm!

prisoner6

26 posted on 11/27/2001 10:54:17 PM PST by prisoner6
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Neurotheologists Claim that Claiming Religion is All in the Mind is All in the Mind.


27 posted on 11/27/2001 11:00:52 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
Neurotheologists Claim that Claiming Religion is All in the Mind is All in the Mind.

You may go to your room without dessert! ;)

28 posted on 11/27/2001 11:04:03 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: *Religion
Bump to Religion list.
29 posted on 11/27/2001 11:04:35 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: Belial
That's rich comming from a liberal!
30 posted on 11/27/2001 11:14:57 PM PST by Dat
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To: Kevin Curry
After three days, Jesus Christ rose from the dead. He sits at the right hand of God.

Granted that I've retired from debates on religion because they're a waste of time - but I'm always curious about things like this because I wonder if people believe that Jesus is sitting in the lower stratosphere as we speak.

As for the article - it should be self-evident that the experience of religion is a neurological rather than a supernatural phenomenon - a gazillion different religions with incompatible and contradictory theologies all show up as the same subjective experience would point to religion as tapping into some sort of common brain structure. Or if you wanted to shoehorn some supernatural explanation - God doesn't care what you believe about him - it's all good.

As for the cause, obviously people will differ - my thought is that it's an artifact of some other basic brain function or some property of neural networks that cults [the general term for an organized body of belief and ritual] have evolved to exploit.

31 posted on 11/27/2001 11:27:18 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: prisoner6
A self serving theological bump for the waking crowd.

BTW this morning instead of thanking God for another day, why not thank your local neurotheologist?

prisoner6

32 posted on 11/28/2001 3:42:29 AM PST by prisoner6
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To: prisoner6
Bump
33 posted on 11/28/2001 3:49:31 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: prisoner6
The song Mellow Yellow referred to already existing technology.
34 posted on 11/28/2001 4:07:57 AM PST by vollmond
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To: prisoner6
Neurotheologists Claim Religion is all in the Mind

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It's in your mind, IOW science can come up with physical eveidence, but religion exists outside of it too.

35 posted on 11/28/2001 4:17:10 AM PST by dennisw
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To: prisoner6
Materialist dogma, not science . . .
36 posted on 11/28/2001 5:20:46 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: Pray4USA
"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor. 1:22.

The Greeks on these boards find much to ridicule and deride about the Christian faith--the true Christian faith, not its dead and powerless two-dimensional caricature that lauds Jesus Christ merely as a great ethics teacher.

They are especially disturbed by the assertion that as a historical FACT a crucified man actually, physically rose from the dead. Their vehemence in rejecting this truth is shared by Muslims, among others. The defining mark of a Christian is that, alone among all people, he or she believes this actual, physical, historical, powerful truth and loves God for it.

Far beyond disputes over obscure points of doctrine, far beyond the Genesis versus Darwin battles, the plain, prosaic, unadorned fact of the historical crucifixion and resurrection is the simple truth that fractures and shatters the world and shames rebellious men who are wise in their own eyes.

37 posted on 11/28/2001 5:47:49 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: prisoner6
1. The idiot Boyer is spouting anti-God statements which are wholly incompatible with his own research (rofl). He claims people survived by vigilance and wariness, but then says this behavior evolved a brain function in which time/space become meaningless? Why not say "the dolphin survived by being an efficient swimmer, and that's why it has wings."

2. A whole bunch of the eastern philosophies have various practices to induce the 'mystical' mind state, and at least until the Renaissance so did Christianity ... there are plenty of accounts of monks or even ordinary people who through devotional exercises had religious experiences. I would say by the Enlightenment this had largely died out as a regular practice. BUT neither Christian or other regarded this state as the end-goal. Great, you had a vision of Christ, fine, but what are you going to DO with it? ... and the Middle English Christian accounts always have them putting experience into practice.

3. However all these systems insist that the mind must be prepared for this experience (symbolic framework), and they say so using some sort of metaphor or another. Without that the result is chaotic and possibly ruinous (as in the example provided by um, my opposite "number" here). So although I fully expect that people will be making 'Thomas pulse' machines not too long from now, we might see a backlash and call for regulation not long after that.

38 posted on 11/28/2001 6:16:38 AM PST by No.6
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To: No.6
a self-serving bump for the evening crowd.

prisoner6

39 posted on 11/28/2001 1:33:30 PM PST by prisoner6
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To: prisoner6; Free the USA
Four out of five of those who don the magnet-laden helmet in Persinger's human consciousness laboratory report some kind of mystical experience while wearing it. He claims that his ability to activate the parts of the brain that create the phenomenon prove that "spontaneous" religious experiences can be duplicated at will and are thus created by the brain and not the product of some higher power's influence over a person.

Funny logic. So when very myopic me puts on my glasses and suddenly perceives things that I couldn't perceive before, this proves the things I perceive are created by my brain?

40 posted on 11/28/2001 7:42:31 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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