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OPEC Threatens to 'Flood Market'
The Moscow Times ^ | 11/28/01 | Valeria Korchagina

Posted on 11/27/2001 5:32:36 PM PST by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow
Falling prices sound good, but what does it really mean?

...From Bob Chapman, International Forecaster [excerpt}

...Is it inflation or deflation? We just don’t know yet, but we do know Ford has cut contract labor wages 7% to cut losses. The auto industry is facing intense price pressure. Zero interest rates have destroyed profits and future sales all to keep sales up. This among other things has forced the PPI down to 1.6% in October, its biggest monthly drop on record. Industrial commodities are at their lowest levels in 15 years, which is certainly deflationary. We are a lot closer to deflation than people think. If we were to see $10.00 oil, that would push the world over the deflationary edge.

The question is will the massive influx of aggregates by the FED and the Treasury neutralize rising deflation. We could very well follow the Japanese model into depression.

Due to the absence of profits, companies with large fixed debt will find it difficult to meet service payments. Financial institutions are already getting burned on bad loans and except for AAA borrowers, they are not lending. This has been the case in Japan for years. As in Japan consumers save even though they are getting a negative return. As it becomes obvious saving is a lose-lose game they take the flight to gold. The syndrome leads to falling stock markets such as the Nikkei falling from 40,000 to 9,500 over the last 10 years and the Dow’s precipitous crashes in 1929 and 1932. In 2001 the PPI dropped from 3.8% to 1.6%. We expect a PPI of minus 1% in 2002. These figures are even worse than the 7% annual fall in prices between 1929-32. We presume figures during the 1930’s were not altered monthly or quarterly as they are today. Today it’s very hard to tell what the real numbers are. Over the past five years manufacturers have met competitive lower prices and profits through innovation, but this virtuous circle cannot continue. We have increasing unemployment, a slowing economy, overcapacity and excess inventory to contend with.

How will deflation look in today's economy?

21 posted on 11/27/2001 5:55:47 PM PST by Osinski
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To: marshmallow
,,, at last, a threat we can live with.
22 posted on 11/27/2001 5:56:41 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: murray500
I'm all for it. Greedy middle easterners could definitely afford to lose some money. Hopefully the US will back these countries that are smart enough to flood the market. It would definitly help Russia and Mexico out...
23 posted on 11/27/2001 5:57:11 PM PST by reality bytes
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To: marshmallow
Nonsense. Saudi Arabia is running a huge budget deficit as it is. 75% of their exports are petroleum pruducts. Sure, why not cut their income by another 20%?
24 posted on 11/27/2001 5:58:38 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: marshmallow
I think this is great.

Russia can not materially cut its production without risking permanent damage to its infrastructure. But remember, oil is not oil is not oil. Saudi light is not the same as west texas sweet crude is not the same as Nigerian haevy is not the same as Russian, Mexican, or Indonesian. Different oils have different properties and are better at producing different end products.

$0.85 gas, hell, let's get it down to $0.50 per gallon and listen to the liberals scream that tax revenues are down. Meanwhile the economy takes off and Bush gets the credit.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

25 posted on 11/27/2001 5:59:00 PM PST by LonePalm
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To: marshmallow
Storage takes both room, and costs money. Plus it takes time to build storage facilities. The USSR went into the Winter with a financial plan, based upon production output and projected oil prices. Once they set their plan in motion, they are committed. The USSR are not a bunch of fools. They would much rather sell their oil at $30 than $10/barrel. Wouldn't you?
26 posted on 11/27/2001 5:59:43 PM PST by zlala
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To: GuillermoX
Wow! I thought I was getting a good deal at $.919 in Alabama!
27 posted on 11/27/2001 6:00:54 PM PST by 6ppc
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To: Osinski
How will deflation look in today's economy?

Works for me.

Cut taxes and watch the economy take off.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

28 posted on 11/27/2001 6:03:55 PM PST by LonePalm
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That's what I'M talkin' about!

30 posted on 11/27/2001 6:04:40 PM PST by mrobison
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To: marshmallow
temper temper temper!!! sheesh, all rationality has fled!!!
31 posted on 11/27/2001 6:06:02 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: zlala
Higher prices help Russia? Well, maybe not. From the article linked above:

"Today, when a recession has started in the United States, when a recession is going on in Japan, when recession has started in Europe, it is ridiculous to take measures to support oil prices," he said. "High oil prices are impossible when there is recession."

He said Russia could only benefit from low prices, which create an incentive to non-oil industries to develop and helped form a broader-based economy.

He said the 2002 budget should be recalculated with $10 as the expected price per barrel, instead of $18.5 at present."

And here's an article saying that lower prices would be healthier in various regards for Russia, and Putin concurred:

Russia Right To Brush Off OPEC (Moscow Times)

32 posted on 11/27/2001 6:07:42 PM PST by Shermy
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To: marshmallow
The QuikTrip on State Bridge Road off of 400 had gas this past weekend for $0.76 /gallon.....Several of the stations right around there matched or were within a penny....

My Suburban was low but quite happy now...

NeverGore

33 posted on 11/27/2001 6:13:08 PM PST by nevergore
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To: marshmallow
Don't bet on it. The Saudis are so financially over extended they can't afford a price war.
34 posted on 11/27/2001 6:14:00 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: zlala
$.769 is the cheapest in the country, from what a friend told me after he saw a news report. This is the Quik Trip on Abbots Bridge Road and Peachtree Industrial. Average in the Atlanta suburbs is somewhere around $.849.
35 posted on 11/27/2001 6:15:45 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: marshmallow
I know that cheaper crude does sound good but it also lowers our chances of opening ANWAR to drilling and real independence from these vultures in the long run. Lower prices at this time could help many companies survive the downturn.
37 posted on 11/27/2001 6:29:49 PM PST by tubebender
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To: marshmallow
Oooohhhh! Hurt me baby!

95 cents a gallon up here right now, and I'm lovin' it!

38 posted on 11/27/2001 6:30:06 PM PST by yooper
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To: marshmallow
Lets buy Russian oil, and boycott OPEC oil.
40 posted on 11/27/2001 6:34:15 PM PST by imperator2
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