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To: RealGem
Muslims are anti-Christ, the admonishment from one of their Clerics for them not to participate in our Holidays is paraphrased thus, "To even wish an infidel "Blessed Holiday" or "Happy Holiday", is to prostate oneself before the infidels Cross, a sin more grievous to Allah than to murder an innocent".

The Muslims attempt to reduce Christ to a mere prophet and strip him of his divinity by saying that there is only one god and he did not have a son, and to claim such is as bad as committing murder.

This makes them anti-Christ, and the demand of their god for the death or conversion of the infidel makes them far too alien to live among Christians. Our government sees itself as secular, only pandering to the religious superstitions of the masses and some few members of it's elected officals. So government will not be on our side in this war against Christians in any fullsome way except when laws are broken or they themselves are threatened. I suspect the only reason the flack hasn't began about how Christians have exposed non-believers to danger by them having been lumped in with us in the minds of Muslim fanatics, is because Muslim fanatics hate unbelievers almost as much as they hate Christians.

4 posted on 11/23/2001 7:34:14 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Miss:
This makes them anti-Christ,

kangharue:
Technically, they cannot be "anti-Christ", or against Christ/Messiah, because they believe that Jesus WAS the Messiah. The Jews would come closer to "anti-Christ" than the Muslims.

Miss:
and the demand of their god for the death or conversion of the infidel makes them far too alien to live among Christians.

kangharue:
Their god demands death or conversion of the infidel? I see this claim being bantered around a lot here, but no one seems ready to back it up with some sort of argument.

Also, Islam expanded its RULE. Religious minorities were free to live under Islamic rule provided they payed something called a "jizyah". In fact, I believe that at times the Ottomans even discouraged conversions (or forbid them) because of the money coming from the "jizyah".

I know Christians who were able to amass considerable wealth living under Islamic rule....in the Ottoman empire. This is not to say that everything was great under Ottoman rule, but it wasn't all bad either. My husband's family left after the Ottoman empire fell..and fled to Greece. After seeing how the Greeks treated Catholics, they wanted to return to life under the Ottomans!

8 posted on 11/23/2001 8:00:48 AM PST by KanghaRue
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To: MissAmericanPie
The Muslims attempt to reduce Christ to a mere prophet and strip him of his divinity by saying that there is only one god and he did not have a son, and to claim such is as bad as committing murder.

There have been Jews who have said as much, although this hasn't mattered because Jews have seldom been in the position of rulers. So I guess the main quesyion os whether Islam is willing to tolerate Christian citizens of their country as we tolerate Islamic citizens of ours. You can tell a lot about people by the way they treat their guests and newcomers.

167 posted on 11/23/2001 12:52:43 PM PST by RobbyS
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