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it is that failure of the nice Moslems, not the excesses of the wicked ones, that has lead me to conclude that Islam is something to be vanquished.

Last I heard, there are Turkish Special Forces guys in Afghanistan helping our guys. Odds are, of the 90 they sent, probably at least 89 of them are Muslim. They're on our side, and they are helping us. And you do NOT want to P.O. a Turkish commando. It will be the last bad move you ever make.

It is time for American Muslims and Muslims who want us to refrain from killing them to denounce murder, terrorism, and destructive acts against any country or people by people claiming to represent Islam. (THey do it to their OWN FOLKS TOO. Witness the Taliban's cruelties against their own--and I don't just mean those committed because of strict interpretation of Muslim Law. Muslim law also says that Muslims must not kill Muslims. But an awful lot of that has gone on.)

Iraq has gassed Muslim Kurds, and killed a lot of Muslim Kuwaitis and Muslim Iranians. That is in direct violation of Islamic law--and that doesn't just come from a dubious Hadith such as the Taliban use.

If Islam does not repudiate terrorism, it is in effect embracing terrorism. And if they do that, and continue on the dangerous path they are now on, they will all fall together. I would like to think that Turkey as a nation AND the Turkish people will stay on our side if we have to nuke somebody over there. But it is MUSLIMS who are starting this fight. We may have made some mistakes that made them legitimately angry with us, but we didn't decide to kill their noncombatants wholesale like Al-Quada decided to do to us.

It's lovely that this young woman enjoys so many Western-style freedoms. Time for her to back up her praise of those ways with a statement that she supports our right to live and worship when, how, and Whom we will. I hate to say it, but Islam without Western influence is NOT a very girl-friendly culture. Everything this young lady is praising and showing as evidence for how wonderful Islam in Indonesia is, comes from OUR influence, not Fatwas.

I declare that 9/11 comes across to Americans as an attack against us from Islam. We have a lot of nutty Muslims here screaming that Thanksgiving is evil. A lot of nutty Muslims around the world think we should die just for the crime of being this big, friendly, open, clumsy, gracious, advanced nation. Like a good big dog, we sometimes step on some toes. Like a good big dog, we're also fiercely protective of our friends and dangerous as heck to our enemies. This essay by your young ladyfriend IS NOT a convincing way to say, "Down, boy!"

Ask her what she'd think if someone came into Jakarta and blew up her school, with all her friends and brothers in it. Ask her what she'd think if her nation's leaders were getting anthrax-laden mail--right after Christian leaders declared they would do this to Indonesians. If the shoe were on the other foot, I am positive Islam would not be feeding our hungry people or refraining from bombing civilian targets.

Islam started this. Yes, Islam as a whole. Because it wasn't policing itself, and because it shows no interest in doing so, it proves to the world that even its good people wink at evil.

The Crusades that have Muslims so upset ended 800 years ago. They apparently want to force us to start another one. Please remember: so far the extent of our meddling has consisted of allowing Jews to move in on a very, very small amount of the land in the MIddle East--and hardly the best piece. We can meddle a lot more if we are given sufficient reason to do so.

I submit to you that 9/11 was sufficient reason to meddle a whole lot. And if Islam doesn't address this en masse, you will all be punished together. I love the Turkish people. I love the Moroccans. I love the Indonesian and Pakistani and Filipino guest workers I met in Saudi Arabia. Wonderful, gracious people. The Saudis? A******s. Islam is letting them control their holy site, and that's as if we Mormons were letting the Clintons decide which of us can go into our temples. The very fact that the Saudis, the Iraqis, the Iranians, and yes, some Indonesian extremists are CONTROLLING Islam--to the point where "good" Muslims are dutifully protesting us when we've done them NOTHING BUT GOOD--is evidence to us FReepers that Islam is warring against us. There are no neutrals here. Remember Switzerland? Claimed to be neutral, helped the Nazis like CRAZY. I submit to you Ronin that if your lady won't stand with us, I mean DIRECTLY and with her whole heart, she's trying to be Switzerland. And we all know what comes of trying to sit on the fence. Eventually, fence-sitters end up with a sharp fencepost up their behinds.