The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

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[ExiledInTaiwan]

That's because they Jews in America aren't surrounded by people of a "peaceful religion" who consider them infidels

You forget that about 50,000 native Jews lived quite well with about 500,000 Palestinians, before the Zionist movement began around 1880's.

Actually, these Jews did not like the Zionist movement and mostly did not welcome them.

[veronica]

Come to think of it, Muslims are not doing that well in the United States at the. Thousands of them I read are about to be questioned by the Justice Dept.

AND Israel is the only Middle East country where visas for folks trying to come here are not being held up for extra scrutiny by the Justice Dept. Notice that?

[Romulus]

Most Jews in America, Liberal or Conservative, support Israel totally.

Totally? BenF and I have been having an interesting discussion about what this means.

[Alouette]

A Short Review of the Different Governments in Palestine in the Above Periods.

Can anyone point out when Palestine was ruled by the "Palestinians"?

In the year 3828, at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem, Palestine was under the dominion of the Romans.

In the year 4092 (332), under Emperor Constantine, the Greek — Romano-Greek Empire.

In the year 4374 (614), under King Kusarai (Chosroes?) for a brief space, Persian, but later, again under the government of the Greeks.

In the year 4397 (637) under Calif Omar, Arab or Mahomedan.

In the year 4502 (742), it was for a short time under the dominion of the Turks or Tartars, but at a later period again under the Arabs.

In the year 4628 (868), under the Califs of Egypt.

In the year 4800 (1040), again under the Turks or Tartars.

In the year 4859 (1099), under the European Christians.

In the year 4947 (1187), under Saladin, Calif of Egypt.

In the year 5004 (1244), under Casiunus, i.e. under Turks or Tartars.

In the year 5051 (1291), under Sultan Asa of Egypt, under Mameluks.

In the year 5161 (1401), under Timurlan [Tamerlane], for a short time, i.e. under Mongols, than again under the Mameluks.

In the year 5278 (1518), under Selim of Constantinople, under Ottomans.

In the year 5591 (1831), under Mahmud Ali, Pacha of Egypt.

In the year 5600 (1840), under Abd al Medjid, Ottoman.

Here would well apply the passage from Judges 9:2: “What is better for you, that seventy men, all the sons of Jerubaal, should rule over you, or that one man should be your master?”

[BikerNYC]

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict?

Religion.

[ExiledInTaiwan]

Quite welcome. The links at the end are also quite enlightening.
Information the press will not give to the 'Sheep."

[ExiledInTaiwan]

In a nutshell!

You might add "fanatical" as an adjective.

[Sabramerican]

Can anyone point out when Palestine was ruled by the "Palestinians"?

Probably at the same time they wrote these scrolls.

[Alouette]

You might add "fanatical" as an adjective.

Don't forget "MUSLIM."

Oh come now, Alouette, can't you admit there are also Jewish religious fanatics?

Like these guys? Of course there are.

[ExiledInTaiwan]

Why should I give a sh*t about them?

I think this pretty much sums up the origin of the conflict!

dennisw, it is a cause and effect cycle that goes back to 1880's.

Again I'll state: People start to do irrational things, when a Jackboot is on their neck!

Having an outside power, European - England and France, give away your land, and allow foreigners come in and take your land, might make you mad too.

[Elihu Burritt]

Come to think of it, Muslims are not doing that well in the United States at the. Thousands of them I read are about to be questioned by the Justice Dept.

What the government does has little meaning on how they do here. I am very impressed with their behaviour and development here. It is remarkable how they prosper with a little opportunity. It must be a heavy burden in Israel to keep them all improverished and thirsty.

AND Israel is the only Middle East country where visas for folks trying to come here are not being held up for extra scrutiny by the Justice Dept. Notice that?

Probably has to do with the fact that Israel is so very repressive in the first place.

[Patria One]

Of course there were Jews in the Holy Land. There were Jews living all over the Middle East and a great many more Christians as well until 1948. However, Zionism is a different thing.

Those huge numbers of immigrant people were refugees from the persecutions of Europe and later the Holocaust. They were Europeans, with little regard for the Arab culture of the native, Christians, Jews and Muslims of Palestine or the Middle East.

[Sabertooth]

Therefore the Holy One, blessed be He, will bring three punishments upon them answering to the three sins which they cultivate,5 as it is said, Therefore shall Zion for your sake be ploughed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of a forest.6 And the Holy One, blessed be He, will not cause His Divine presence to rest upon Israel until the wicked judges and officers cease out of Israel, for it is said, And I will turn my hand upon thee, and thoroughly purge away thy dross, and will take away all thy tin. And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning, etc.7

I understand that you're trying to propagandize that the current judges of Israel are corrupted because the don't offer their throats to be slit by "palestinians."

Of course, you're reading it wrong. The three punishmenst referred to came as a result of the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 66 to 70 A.D., and the restoration came in 1948.

The best case that can be made for faulting the current judges of Israel is that they even deal with the so-called "palestinians" at all. Tosee this, simply go back to before the crossing of the Jordan by Joshua and the Israelites:

Check out Exodus 23:20-33, when God is giving instructions for the conquest of the Promised Land... Expecially verses 31 to 33.

Exodus 23:

31.
"And I will set your bounds from the Red Sea to the Sea of the Philistines (no relation to the so-called "palestinians," by the way), and from the desert to the River. For I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you shall drive them out before you.

32.
"You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.

33.
"They shall not dwell in your land, lest they make you sin against Me. For if you serve their gods, it will surely be a snare to you."

Well, starting with the Gibeonites in Joshua 9 and all the way through the Oslo accords, any time Israel has traded any of the Promised Land for "peace," sooner or later they've been betrayed and attacked from that land by those they made "peace" with.

And so it will be until the end.

[ppaul]

THIS BOOK IS ANTI-SEMITIC GARBAGE.

It has been posted on many far-left and anarchist websites (including, if I recall, Ramsey Clark's anti-American site).

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[ppaul]

If you really want to understand the origins of the conflict, the best book, bar none (besides the Bible), is Joan Peters', From Time Immemorial.

Amazon.com has actually published the entire book for free reading online HERE

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[cake_crumb]

The whole Arab Israeli conflict has been going on for so long that I think of the conflict not as a bunch of seperate little wars, but a long, raggedly spaced string of "attacks and counter-attacks". Perhaps we should name the whole bloody mess "The Middle Eastern World War".

You want to know the history? Look it up in a desk encyclopedia. Don't learn it from a biased website.

The war has gone on long enough. It is time for the hatred to stop, and the prejudices to end. It's time for the whole bloody MESS to END.

The palestinains are NOT THE VICTIMS. They were living on a territory under foreign rule, and they never had a state, a currency, a president or prime minister. THE PALESTINIANS DID NOT HAVE A COUNTRY.

Get over, it, people. Sorry for yelling. From the perspective of someone who's been collecting Arab opinions on just this subject, I can tell you this story looks just like the propaganda these people shout right before yelling "DEATH TO ISRAEL!!" It gets on my nerves.

[cake_crumb]

"Nah just the fact that Israel is surrounded by Osama mini-mes"

LOL...I like that !