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What is ‘Big Brother’ watching for in the desert?
Herald and News ^ | 11/11/01 | JEAN BILODEAUX

Posted on 11/12/2001 7:50:38 PM PST by Got a right to Life? . . Huh?

DENIO, Nev. — In his book, “1984,” George Orwell described a situation where cameras were situated on every post along with the warning, “Big Brother is watching you.”

The high desert wilderness between Cedarville and Winnemucca, Nev., is the last place people would suspect Big Brother would be watching.

John DeLong, a life-long area rancher, was checking his range recently when he noticed something out of place.

“I’ve been here all my life and know what the land looks like. My first thought was it might have been something connected with terrorism,” said DeLong.

He stopped his truck and walked over to an area that just didn’t look the same as it had a day or two earlier and made a discovery.

Camouflaged in the sagebrush was a camera lens with wires leading to a buried video camera. Assuming the camera had a motion or infrared sensor, DeLong went to the Bureau of Land Management in Winnemucca and told them he was the one on their film.

DeLong asked Roger Farschon, acting Black Rock Desert-High Rock Canyon Emigrant Trails National Conservation Area manager, why the camera was there. He was told it was part of an ongoing criminal investigation. According to Farschon, since the Conservation Area was formed nearly 150 wilderness signs have been stolen.

DeLong was assured by Farschon it was only one hidden camera.

“As long as I’ve lived here I’ve never seen anyone damage those signs,” said DeLong. “I drive by that location four or five times a week and can’t remember them ever being disturbed. People pretty much leave things alone and respect each others property here.”

Not long afterward, Bob Schweigert, a range management consultant, was monitoring range lands when he noticed something unusual just inside the wilderness boundary of the South Jackson Wilderness Area. He uncovered a camouflaged lens and a buried video camera. Schweigert noted it had a Department of Interior property sticker.

Both men were surprised to find a second camera because they had been told there was only one. They, and others, wonder how many more cameras are hidden.

When asked a second time about the cameras, Farschon answered, “This is an ongoing investigation and we are not allowed to comment.”

Several ranchers question whether the $12 to $15 price of the signs justifies the use of $2,000 surveillance cameras. Others are concerned because both cameras were pointing towards private property. Every rancher interviewed was concerned that if they said too much their grazing permits might be taken away.

Schweigert has filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking data about the past and present locations of all cameras, buried and unburied, on, inside or immediately outside the 10 newly created wilderness and the conservation Area.

“I find it absolutely reprehensible that the Department of Interior should assume Nevadans are criminals, and therefore implement clandestine surveillance of our activities on what were once public lands, but which the Department of Interior now clearly considers to be federal lands, “said Schweigert.

Maxine Shane, a BLM public affairs specialist, said the cameras were part of an ongoing criminal investigation, but would not comment on the investigation.


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We can be assured there is and will be a lot more of this kind of "Big Brother" activity undertaken by various government agencies. This is just one more example of a government with a growing averice for voyerism aimed at micro-managing every aspect of our lives. If you think that these cameras where actually placed to safeguard some wilderness signs and that such actions are acceptable, we are farther down the road towards a totalitarian nation than most of us fear.
1 posted on 11/12/2001 7:50:38 PM PST by Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
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To: Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
Just let the right(wrong?) people know there is a $2000 camera out there, and it'll be in a pawn shop in L.A. in no time.
2 posted on 11/12/2001 7:55:29 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve
If I find one of these cameras . . . . . . it might be returned to the appropriate agency after stops in every conservative media outlet. ;-)
4 posted on 11/12/2001 8:42:44 PM PST by Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
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To: Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
Life size cardboard stand-up of Janet Reno placed in the cameras view, should bring the filming to a halt. Remember the guy they could not catch logging on federal land? The BLM had to move the cameras onto the guy's property in order to catch him cutting trees. Then they claimed it was on federal land. They got caught lying. And it took them six years at that!
5 posted on 11/12/2001 8:47:31 PM PST by blackdog
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To: Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
Surveillance is "implied" Search.

Therefore, Search warrants must be issued by a judge, with the appropriate signed affidavits, showing cause for the warrant(s).
While the Dept. of Interior and the Court may not wish to comment on the information contained in said warrants, or disclose information on the nature of the "criminal investigation", they are required to show that a warrant or warrants have been issued in compliance with the law and the Constitution of the United States.

Since the cameras are pointed at private property, the law is the answer.
Demand to see the Warrants.

6 posted on 11/12/2001 8:51:15 PM PST by Drammach
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To: Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
I'd be just a tad suspicious if I was a property owner there. Are they trying to catch a rancher doing something UNPC so they can grab his land??? (The land grabs out West are out of control.) Could this be part of it? Why does the gov. want it? Why does the UN want it? Anyone got a clue???
7 posted on 11/13/2001 12:15:19 AM PST by brat
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To: Drammach
Here is what I e-mailed to Secretary Norton:

Re: D.O.I. Hidden Surveillance Cameras gale_norton@ios.doi.gov

Dear Secretary Norton,

It has come to my attention through an article in the Herald and News that hidden cameras are being used for surveillance of remote "wilderness signs." I felt that you should know that this is becoming a news story in some conservative circles. Your agency should be prepared to produce the constitutionally required warrants for these implied searches.

As a Bush appointee, I have confidence that you will handle this breach of the public trust with professionalism. I can only assume that you had no prior knowledge of these Big Brother tactics and would not approve them. If there are other cameras monitoring the public at large in similar clandestine fashion, (i.e. without warrants), the D.O.I. ought to reconcider the public relations implications and constitutionality of said activities.

Thank-you for considering my humble opinion on the matter.

Should I expect to be monitored now?

8 posted on 11/13/2001 12:30:54 AM PST by Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
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To: Drammach
Yes, it really is that simple, you just have to know how to ask the right questions of "your" servants/gov. employees & they will behave like the good little boys & girls they were hired to be

{& if your thirsty, don't be afraid to ask them to get you a drink of water("what part of protect & serve do you not understand?")}.

University ofCitizens for Better Government

9 posted on 11/13/2001 12:32:37 AM PST by norraad
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To: Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
Ski masks are cheap. So are cans of black spray-paint and sledgehammers.
10 posted on 11/13/2001 12:34:50 AM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
Wait, what am I missing here? They put a hidden camera on a sign on their own land, to be able to get photos of anyone that does steal the sign? Is that it? If so, why shouldn't they be able to do so? I could do that in front of my own house if someone was regularly attacking my mailbox.
11 posted on 11/13/2001 12:41:19 AM PST by Timesink
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To: Hank Rearden
If more of these are found this will grow legs as a national news story. It is reasonable to assume that these are not the only two hidden cameras currently in use at the Department of the Interior.
12 posted on 11/13/2001 1:19:30 AM PST by Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
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To: Timesink
Post #1:If you think that these cameras where actually placed to safeguard some wilderness signs and that such actions are acceptable, we are farther down the road towards a totalitarian nation than most of us fear.

There are laws restricting the video taping of others without their knowledge or concent, especially on their private property. You could video tape your mail box, but you could not as a public agency include a vast area of private property in the frame without a warrant.

13 posted on 11/13/2001 1:28:42 AM PST by Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
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To: Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
I had an idea for a unique web site. "Surveill the surveillors."

It would be simply a data base giving the location of every single camera (no matter what kind or purpose). I envision a site that anybody can log onto and enter data. I further envision a bunch of "Baker Street Irregulars" armed with cheap GPS locators and digital cameras (portable). I don't care if it's a highway camera, a 7-11 camera, red-light camera, or one buried in leaves.

Just a big data base, verbal location and presumed purpose.

Wanna bet how long such a site would be permitted to operate?

--Boris

14 posted on 11/13/2001 1:31:09 AM PST by boris
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To: brat
There was no apparent problem with the wilderness signs in the area of John DeLong's ranch. The D.O.I. must have a particular interest in Mr. Delong, his property, or the local activities framed in the camera's view. The sign surveillance story is more than likely bull. Who knows what they're up to? They may want Delong's property to extend the wilderness area. All they need to do is capture the image of an endangered species and he is shut down, bankrupt.
15 posted on 11/13/2001 1:47:04 AM PST by Got a right to Life? . . Huh?
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