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To: ET(end tyranny); ArGee
The bottom line is this, gentlemen:

The history of the Jews is a history of rebellious children. They killed their own prophets and turned their backs on God regularly. After seeing all the miracles of the Exodus, after observing the pillar of fire, they made an idol out of their posessions and said "This is the god that led us out of Egypt." For a time they were so absolutely corrupt, they even discarded their own Scriptures, put idols in God's temple and practiced sacred prostitution.

ArGee & I understand that we, non-Jews are no better than those rebellious children. You, ET, on the other hand, give the impression that somehow you are different than your ancestors --yet you are not.

No one can be forced to believe the truth nor should they be forced to embrace a lie. We are aware of what the Jews do to their own if they get too close to Christianity. It is not as uncivilized as what the Moslems do but it is enough to hold most in check. I do not fault you for adhering to your position. May your eyes be opened as were those of Saul of Tarsus.

273 posted on 11/13/2001 5:15:36 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
No one can be forced to believe the truth nor should they be forced to embrace a lie. .

Depending on one's perspective of course.

We are aware of what the Jews do to their own if they get too close to Christianity.

As opposed to what Christians have done to one another, because they didn't agree on certain points? There is plenty of blood on the hands of the early Roman church, too, lest you forget! Not to mention the Roman christians that killed off the Jewish christians, enabling the Roman version of christianity to survive and become the new religion of the time.

It is not as uncivilized as what the Moslems do but it is enough to hold most in check.

Killing is killing. No matter which religion it is done under.

I do not fault you for adhering to your position. May your eyes be opened as were those of Saul of Tarsus

May your eyes be opened to what has been 'overwritten', and may you hear the words of God, over those of 'Saul', for the two are not the same.

276 posted on 11/13/2001 5:47:22 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Dataman; ET(end tyranny)
Truer words were never spoken.

May your eyes be opened as were those of Saul of Tarsus.

I recognize that as a blessing, but it can also be a curse. One of the things that happened to Rev. Shaul when he was blinded by the Shekinah of G-d was that he spent three days with nothing but his thoughts. Given that he was a student of Gimaliel, I'm sure he spent the entire three days going over Scriptures in his mind. He was probably reviewing the Scriptures he had used to justify persecuting the Christians. Having been faced with the reality of Yeshua, he had to find out whether he needed to throw the Scriptures out or whether he had been misinterpreting them all along.

Acts tells us he constantly went to the Jews first, and argued from the Scriptures that Yeshua was the Messiah. I guess that, during those three days, he realized he had been interpreting Scripture wrong.

As you say, Dataman, you and I are no better. Had not Christ opened our eyes, we would still be blind.

To ET I would only say, stop attacking and open your heart. You may still decide that Yeshua was not Messiah, but do not do so out of the hardness of your heart. Stop saying, "G-d cannot" as you did so often during your one post. Start saying, "G-d, did you?"

And may you meet the Risen Christ so He may open your eyes as He has opened mine.

Shalom.

277 posted on 11/13/2001 6:08:02 AM PST by ArGee
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