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To: ET(end tyranny)
Thank you for writing a post that was readable. I do not mind debating theology, but the kind of post you wrote before is for sitting down and discussing over coffee or tea, face to face, with Scriptures and concordances and TWOT and so forth. I am not the sort of person who can have that kind of discussion on a Web forum. I'm glad it amuses you. I hope you can forgive my weakness.

Now, to this post that is of a length I can handle, you said:

God cannot

My faith is too big to ever utter that phrase.

You are right to say that the Scriptures did not claim that Messiah would be Messiah-el. That's why Yeshua praised Simon for that declaration. He said, "Man did not reveal this to you, but the Spirit of G-d." The twelve did not even realize it because it was a thing never heard of before. He was standing before them, but they were not able to understand until He opened their eyes after He was raised by Ha Shem from the dead. It was a totally new thing, but when you know the thing you can then go back and read Scripture again and understand that G-d did exactly what He promised He would do. I'm sure the people of G-d did not understand what G-d was telling Habakkuk about using an evil kingdom to accomplish His purposes until after the Diaspora. That is the way G-d's prophecy often works.

You say that the Trinity does not make sense. I agree from my human perspective. But it makes even less sense to me to suggest that, as you say, God cannot. That phrase is beyond my comprehension. I cannot fathom it.

By the way, if you are a Jew (and you write like one - a compliment not an insult) you should have recognized the reference Yeshua made from the cross when He said, "Eli, Eli, lamach sabcthani" Perhaps the idea that G-d could abandon Himself doesn't make sense to you, but how about His reference to the Scripture that predicted the Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced...

while hanging there with his hands and feet pierced...

a form of capital punishment that the Jews did not ever use.

Shalom.

249 posted on 11/09/2001 9:23:46 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Thank you for writing a post that was readable. I do not mind debating theology, but the kind of post you wrote before is for sitting down and discussing over coffee or tea, face to face, with Scriptures and concordances and TWOT and so forth. I am not the sort of person who can have that kind of discussion on a Web forum. I'm glad it amuses you. I hope you can forgive my weakness.

We don't have the luxury of sitting face to face over coffee or tea. But, what we do have is good enough to discuss things. Sure it takes time, but that's what 'saving' files is all about. I started my post yesterday morning, then saved it, since I had to leave. But when I got home I finished it.

Now, to this post that is of a length I can handle, you said:

God cannot

My faith is too big to ever utter that phrase.

Frankly, I would agree with you that God CAN do anything, but as I mentioned in the previous post, what point would be made in a God following Law???

You are right to say that the Scriptures did not claim that Messiah would be Messiah-el. That's why Yeshua praised Simon for that declaration. He said, "Man did not reveal this to you, but the Spirit of G-d." The twelve did not even realize it because it was a thing never heard of before. He was standing before them, but they were not able to understand until He opened their eyes after He was raised by Ha Shem from the dead. It was a totally new thing, but when you know the thing you can then go back and read Scripture again and understand that G-d did exactly what He promised He would do. I'm sure the people of G-d did not understand what G-d was telling Habakkuk about using an evil kingdom to accomplish His purposes until after the Diaspora. That is the way G-d's prophecy often works.

They also were unaware that Jesus had to suffer, die and be resurrected. In fact when Jesus told Peter about his coming death, Peter says No, we will not let it happen. See he was unaware of this alledged prophecy because it WAS NOT in the OT!!!!

You say that the Trinity does not make sense. I agree from my human perspective. But it makes even less sense to me to suggest that, as you say, God cannot. That phrase is beyond my comprehension. I cannot fathom it.

Correction. The Jewish faith says it... and let's not forget that Jesus was Jewish.... I merely pointed out that it makes no sense to have a God on earth for us the emulate, since God can do anything, particularly following the Law. It is more meaningful that a 'man' follow the Law and lead by example....

By the way, if you are a Jew (and you write like one - a compliment not an insult) you should have recognized the reference Yeshua made from the cross when He said, "Eli, Eli, lamach sabcthani" Perhaps the idea that G-d could abandon Himself doesn't make sense to you, but how about His reference to the Scripture that predicted the Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced...

What is the OLD TESTAMENT (Tanakh) verse for that???

while hanging there with his hands and feet pierced...

And being pierced by a sword as mentioned earlier in the 'archtypes'/enemies of God...

a form of capital punishment that the Jews did not ever use. That's right.... it was a form of death used by the Gentiles... for crimes against the state. I mentioned that and explained it in a previous post, but perhaps you didn't read that one either.

250 posted on 11/09/2001 10:04:42 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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