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U.S. Sets Up Plan to Fight Smallpox in Case of Attack
New York Times ^ | November 4, 2001 | LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN

Posted on 11/03/2001 2:49:26 PM PST by samtheman

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So what they're saying is, they're going to wait until thousands succumb to this disease before they vaccinate anyone except a "team of experts"? Well, for one thing, I bet more than just the "experts" are going to get vaccinated, and for another, I'd be willing to pay for a vaccination, as would millions of others. Where's the supply to meet our demand?
1 posted on 11/03/2001 2:49:26 PM PST by samtheman
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There basically is no supply. Another thread stated that the U.S. has one dose of vaccine for every 28,000 people. Good luck.

The government has ordered millions of doses from a British company. There presently is no capability in this country to manufacture smallpox vaccine.

If the terrorists blow up the British firm that is making vaccine, be very worried.

The glee of "eradicating" smallpox caused an all-too-typical case of hubris. If we have eradicated it, we don't need to make or use any vaccine anymore, right?...with the result that most of the world's population is now "innocent" of smallpox, meaning that their immune systems have never been exposed in any way. If the virus is released it would cut through the human population like a wildfire. Maybe 1, 2 billion dead.

--Boris

3 posted on 11/03/2001 3:01:49 PM PST by boris
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>>Another is that the risks of mass vaccination could outweigh any benefits, particularly if no smallpox case appears<<

This is absurd.

The benefit of mass vaccination is that it takes smallpox off the table for the terrorists.

Americans are going to die in this war-6000+ are dead already.

The notion that any military intervention, like commando raids on the Taliban, or smallpox immunizations of 280 million people, can have a zero risk or zero casualty rate is absurd.

I strongly favor universal smallpox immunization ASAP.

4 posted on 11/03/2001 3:14:17 PM PST by Jim Noble
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I think the risk is low because it would become a worldwide epidemic.

It's like setting your sister's room on fire. Sounds good until you realize that your room burns up, too.

6 posted on 11/03/2001 3:26:07 PM PST by Dog Gone
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I think the risk is low because it would become a worldwide epidemic.

Sound reasoning unless the terrorists feel like their days are numbered. Then, they may just adopt the attitude, "F*** it, I'm goin' down, everyone's goin' down." Hard concept for all of us to get used to that these radical Islamists do NOT behave rationally.

7 posted on 11/03/2001 3:36:00 PM PST by NYS_Eric
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Maybe, but it would be an act of insanity. It wouldn't give their cause an advantage in the long run.

Realistically, we're more likely to contain the disease than the Islamic countries which are crowded and have questionable sanitation.

8 posted on 11/03/2001 3:44:47 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: boris
The World Health Organization is the villian here, if we're talking about hubris. This is a disease that has ravaged humanity for thousands of years and they declared it eradicated after only a single decade of no reported cases. Talk about a Campaign of Infinite Stupidity.

On the question of supply, how hard can it be? What decade technology are we talking about here? 1940? 1910? 1890?

Edward Jenner (1749-1823)

In 1980, as a result of Jenner's discovery, the World Health Assembly officially declared "the world and its peoples" free from endemic smallpox.

9 posted on 11/03/2001 4:22:26 PM PST by samtheman
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There presently is no capability in this country to manufacture smallpox vaccine.

And yet all the smallpox vaccine is, is a virus which replicates very quickly. It's not like they really have to manufacturer it, it manufacturers itself.

10 posted on 11/03/2001 4:32:23 PM PST by FITZ
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On the question of supply, how hard can it be? What decade technology are we talking about here? 1940? 1910? 1890?

I get very suspicious of why they are pretending it's hard to fill the supplies. It can't be incompetence because the small pox virus and vaccine aren't new issues they are really having to learn about for the first time.

11 posted on 11/03/2001 4:36:36 PM PST by FITZ
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I couldn't agree more. If the symptoms don't show up for 10 to 12 days a huge number of people are going to die before everyone can be vacinated. Dumb thinking it would seem to me.
13 posted on 11/03/2001 4:57:04 PM PST by blackbart1
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"I get very suspicious of why they are pretending it's hard to fill the supplies. It can't be incompetence because the small pox virus and vaccine aren't new issues they are really having to learn about for the first time."

They are not pretending.

One of the major problems is that vaccines are low-profit items. Hence pharmecutical makers don't want to make vaccines--especially given the legal liability issues from the few persons who have a bad reaction to a vaccine.

Since nobody wants to make them, and they are low-profit, nobody wants to invest in the plants and machinery necessary to manufacture vaccines.

This point of view held prior to the current bio-terror scare. Thus there is not now any native capacity to make new vaccines.

Another problem is absurd FDA hoops that drug manufacturers have to jump through. The sinlge U.S. source of Anthrax vaccine is Bioport, which used to be run by the State of Michigan (I think)...and which cannot manufacture any vaccine today because it cannot meet the FDA's regs.

Most of the vaccines in use in the 1950s could not be passed today under current FDA regulations.

14 posted on 11/03/2001 7:09:13 PM PST by boris
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To: boris
sinlge=single.

--Boris

15 posted on 11/03/2001 7:10:26 PM PST by boris
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To: ChemistCat
heads up
16 posted on 11/03/2001 7:12:52 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Danke.

Another current Smallpox thread
17 posted on 11/03/2001 7:55:50 PM PST by ChemistCat
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To: ChemistCat
BUMP
18 posted on 11/04/2001 2:45:56 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: samtheman; *Smallpox List
Index bump. To search for smallpox articles, click here: Smallpox List. Please ping all articles relating to smallpox to the list.
19 posted on 11/06/2001 6:39:07 AM PST by Dixie Mom
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To: FITZ
I get very suspicious of why they are pretending it's hard to fill the supplies. It can't be incompetence because the small pox virus and vaccine aren't new issues they are really having to learn about for the first time.

I too am suspicious. Very suspicious. What gives, oh mighty government? What coverup in yonder Capitol taketh place?

20 posted on 11/07/2001 12:58:56 AM PST by samtheman
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