MUSLIM APARTHEID: What the U.N. Wants Hidden

FREEMAN CENTER BROADCAST | October 31, 2001

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[vrwc54]

Muslims are permitted to lie to to non-Muslims and break agreements with them under the Koranic law of HUDAIBIYA.

[vrwc54]

Muslims are permitted to lie to to non-Muslims and break agreements with them under the Koranic law of HUDAIBIYA.

[Lent]

It is called the Hudibiyya and Salah a-Din agreements:
 

What is Arab Islamic tradition and history when it comes to treaties and
  peace-making?

       The 'Hudibiyya' and 'Salah a-Din' Agreements

       Mohammed, the 7th century founder of Islam, once signed a 10-year peace treaty
       with the enemy tribe of Koreish. However, after only two years into the treaty,
       Mohammed's military position improved whereupon he tore up this "Hudibiyya
       Agreement" and slaughtered the Koreishites.

       Salah a-Din (Saladin) was the Muslim leader who, after a cease-fire, declared a
       jihad against the Crusaders and captured Jerusalem

       If a PA (Palestinian Authority) cabinet minister were to compare the Oslo Peace
       Accords between Israel and the Palestinian people to the Hudibiyya Agreement, he
       would be suggesting that the treaty were only a temporary truce.   Not only have
       cabinet ministers done just that... so has the leader of the Palestinian people!
       Speaking to a rally of his Fatah movement in Ramallah just last November 16,
       1998, Yasser Arafat said, "When we chose the peace of the brave [the Oslo and
       Wye Accords], we chose it with trust in the Prophet who agreed to the treaty of
       Hudibiyya..."  On numerous previous occasions (and certainly to be continued in
       the future), both Arafat and other senior PA officials have assured Arab audiences
       that their treaties with Israel are only "temporary truces" rather than genuine,
       permanent peace agreements.

            Address to a rally in Ramallah broadcast on official Palestinian
            Television, November 15, 1998:
            "We chose the peace of the brave out of faith in the prophet, in the
            Khudaibiya agreement."

            Newspaper interview, Al-Quds, May 10, 1998:
            Question: Do you feel sometimes that you made a mistake in agreeing to
            Oslo?
            Arafat: No . . . no. Allah's messenger Mohammad accepted the
            al-Khudaibiya [Hudibiyya] peace treaty and Salah a-Din accepted the peace
            agreement with Richard the Lion-Hearted."

            Interview on Egyptian Orbit TV, April 18, 1998:
            Question: How do you explain that you occasionally ask the Palestinian
            street not to explode?
            Arafat: When the prophet Muhammad made the Khudaibiya [Hudibiyya]
            agreement, he agreed to remove his title "messenger of Allah" from the
            agreement. Then, Omar bin Khatib and the others referred to this
            agreement as the "inferior peace agreement." Of course, I do not compare
            myself to the prophet, but I do say that we must learn from his steps and
            those of Salah a-Din. The peace agreement which we signed is an "inferior
            peace". The conditions [behind it] are the intifada, which lasted for seven
            years.

       Question: For practical reasons, do you now suggest to maintain quiet despite
       everything?
       Arafat: Yes, I suggest we maintain quiet. We respect agreements the way that
       the prophet Muhammad and Salah a-Din respected the agreements which they
       signed.

 

 But, you may say, what about the Camp David Peace Accords? Mubarak annulled them 10
years after they were signed, as mandated by the tenets of Islam in the Koran: 'You may sign
a peace treaty with your enemy, the infidel, but only for 10 years. When he's weakened, you must
take back in blood what you previously lost.' The Arab states have broken over 350 agreements
between themselves in this century. Contracts and agreements are meaningless in the Middle
East, a simple fact the West and Israel have been slow to learn.

- Emanuel A. Winston, Middle East analyst & commentator
http://yahoodi.com/peace/peace.html

[BenF]

The Holocaust happened. My great-grandparents lost family in it. That is historical fact that we agree upon.

Interesting that you don't mention which side they were on, but it's your perogative.

Apartheid is practiced in Israel, however. How you can say it isn't is beyond me. How I can say it is is beyond you. We must disagree.

We must disagree because there is no evidence that it is practiced. However, I do understand completely why you feel otherwise. I have much experience with people with your viewpoint. Nevertheless, in a thread about Muslim Apartheid, you seek to divert everyone's attention to what you want to talk about. Rather than starting your own thread, you want to hijack this one. While I can't stop you from saying whatever you want, I'm not going to play your game.

Hopefully, we understand each other better now.

[BenF]

Where is your source for saying Muslims need not honor agreements made with non-Muslims if you don't know the source from the Koran? Are you telling the truth? If so, I'd like to see the source. If not, you are spreading a falsehood, and thusly you are breaking a commandment.

I am not saying it. The article is. Question the author because I do not have the particular Suha which says it at my fingertips. However, there is ample historical record of Mohammed's agreement with the Koresh tribe. I do not intend to do your homework for you and present you with a website which you will then question. It is a game which can go on forever. However, I do not believe I am spreading a falsehood and thusly am not breaking any commandments. BTW, which commandment is it that you suspect me of breaking?

[BenF]

Thank you for the assist. We'll see if the two posters who are so concerned with sources will accept what you have provided or whether they will continue to "question". Want to bet as to whether or not they'll have the courtesy to thank you?

[BenF]

Here's another article which may interest you...

The Danger Within: Militant Islam in America

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/560780/posts?page=23

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BTTT

[pgkdan]

Concise and informative...great post!

[RnMomof7]

Good research..thanks for the flag

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Bump for later...JFK

[Brian Allen]

Thank you for the headsup.

Although he took a bit of a glance at that other envy-motivated and hatred and-murderous-rage-engined obscenity, "socialism, the envy-motivated and hatred and-murderous-rage-engined "prophet," Hitler, when he got right down to it, needed look no further than the envy-motivated and hatred and-murderous-rage-engined "prophet," Mohammed -- and his envy-motivated and hatred and-murderous-rage-engined "followers" -- for inspiration for his "One Thousand Year, Nazi, Reich."

And did not!