Posted on 10/27/2001 9:33:56 AM PDT by freedomnews
H.R.3162
Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001
You and the Bill Clinton types of " its all about ME ME ME" is what has let and made this country sink slowly down the toilet. It is sad there are so many like you out there.
Please put me on your 'ignore' list. I have no respect for you and you make me sick.
Do not worry!
If what we have suffered at the hands of RICO and the WOD is any indicator, the damage to our few remaining freedoms and liberties will far surpass even the wildest expectations.
You are right of course. On a certain level that association is valid.
The basic problem with many "fringers" is their inability and/or unwillingness to understand and fully appreciate the responsibility they have as American citizens. I believe its the duty of every American to speak out in support of Constitutional rights and against government wrong doing. At the same time, however, its just as important that all American's be willing to make sacrifices during a time of war. And contrary to a few belligerent loudmouths, America is at War. That's the way I see it.
What this Bill is about is a concentration of power within the already un-Constitutional centralized government.
Believe it or not, this all started with Lincoln when he suspended Habeus Corpus and declared War on the South. Just like the Democraps and the Republicrats today, the North and the South drew a line in the sand and threw out the Constitution to achieve their political ends.
Pretty sad that the American people seem to value the Constitution so lightly isn't it. Hardly a wimper was heard when this Bill was passed at the National level.
In my opinion Lincoln made a very BIG mistake that we are all paying for until this day. Of course the Founding Fathers made a BIGGER mistake when they allowed slavery to stand after the Revolution and made the Declaration of Independance a lie for Blacks.
Many will say that hindsight is 20-20, but IMHO many American Patriots wanted to do the right thing, but there always is a contingency of idiots around who want to spoil the Liberty we have been blessed with.
United we stand, divided ... well, suffice it to say, the anti-Republic crowd hide their desire to end with violence this Republic as now formulated, to divide it unto death, behind calls for extreme reactions, drastic ripping and shredding of unity, extreme measures designed to pit citizen against citizen and citizen against the law enforcement agencies.
Fact is, if these same 'people' were half as committed to reform as they are committed to dissolution, they would work to elect different people to government. Anarchy mongerers want a quick fix to something that has build up over decades, decades when they sat in the comfort of their livingrooms and complained about the elections without getting active in the process. Now, when we are literally facing our own demise from an enemy foreign, these same bitch and complain 'patriots' want to take action that will insure our final disunity and thus our downfall ... perhaps these 'patriots' believe they can fend off the mongrel hordes of half-starved gangs when the ultimate result of internal strife that destroys legal means has run its course.
And before you try to play the 'served my country' card, DJoyce dude, I was taught to reach out and touch someone; I understand self-discipline to an extent that doesn't require your further instruction. You and your anarchy crowd are dangerous domestic fifth columns trying to destroy my country from within, trying to bring on the armegeddon in this country. I see you clearly as an enemy domestic and Osama&co as enemies foreign.
By the way, be armed doesn't necessarily constitute carrying firearms. If just a few of the Patriots on Flight 93 were carrying buck-knifes, that plane might have landed without crashing.
But American citizens are not to be trusted with weapons any longer. Why is that?? What kind of people have we allowed to become citizens in what is supposed to be a Democratic Republic??
Well said.
It's worth repeating my earlier remarks that set off some many of these extremist and radical wackos:
This bill hasn't taken away any rights of American citizens. Only the reactionary absolutists and anarchists find this bill troubling, because they are anti-government. America is at WAR! Those who don't want to make any sacrifices in order to help assure victory in the fight against terrorism are anti-American in my book. They should be deported immediately, or jailed as subversives. Their rhetoric only offers aid and comfort to the enemy.
25 posted on 10/27/01 11:45 AM Mountain by Reagan Man
Nuff said.
"I can't believe the number of Freepers (that should know better) that are willing to roll on their backs and pee all over themselves for the illusion of "safety". Like Christ said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." What they have done is declared war on the American citizen and it will be a bloody one."
The threat is not American citizens, although I'm sure that many of you would put a bullet in the head of anyone who disagrees with GOP rhetoric, but the threat is Islamic Foreign Nationals. We didn't need this law to deal with aliens on our sovereign soil. The Ruling Elite needed this law to centralize power. And if that isn't obvious to you, I suggest you investigate the Trading with the Enemies Act that was revised to define all peoples outside the US Government enemies of the state, including US citizenry.
What ever happened to "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
To: exodus
You don't know me.
All Vets deserve the same repect.
There was not one thing in this thread
that would lead me to believe he is patriotic
or has the best interest of the nation foremost in his mind.
# 303 by Native American Female Vet
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Yes, all vets have my respect, including muawiyah.
He just isn't thinking this through.
We are not at war.
As far as "You don't know me," Native American Female Vet?
Read closer.
My reply # 298 to muawiyah is filled with sarcasm.
I agree completely with what you've posted on this thread.
I'm assuming that you mean what you've said,
so in that sense I do "know you."
Go back over this thread - read what I've posted.
You might find that you like knowing me,
just as much as I like knowing you.
All of these things are wars to the participants - and try as you might, you can't take that away from them. War is war is war.
There have been a number of histories posted in FR over the years regarding the question of "declaration of war". One of them cited several hundred specific instances of war where Congress did not issue any sort of declaration, or even enabling legislation. In fact, at lest one early administrative procedure, "The Whiskey Rebellion" actually had George Washington doing his thing as Commander in Chief, not just President.
Somethng to think about there - the President is the Commander in Chief - 24/7. As such he has powers to take actions with or without Congressional approval. We must presume that his actions are, to a degree, Constitutional because, after all, being President, and Commander in Chief, is a Constitutional office.
Presumably the President has the power, independent of any Congressional judgment in the matter, to repel assault against the United States. About the only thing he can't do is call up the militia - that's for Congress to do, and they are not required to first pass a declaration of war - they can just "do it". Now what do you imagine Congress would do with a militia?
So why do you think you have to insult me?
I would suggest you go back and re-read every single posting I made from the point of view that I may well support H.R.3162 because it may very well save me, my family, my neighbors, the folks in my town, my coworkers, and possibly even you from death.
It is time to put personal comfort aside and face up to the long, hard job of winning this war.
Unfortunately most of those in this very long thread who oppose H.R.3162 don't seem to be very publicly spirited, nor does it seem that they truly feel we should destroy alQeida.
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