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To: RasterMaster
There are no innocents in regards to the enemy! Nuke em till they glow and shoot em in the dark!

This is the same philosophy of those who destroyed the World Trade Center.

"All Americans are guilty. Kill them all."

"All Afghan people are guilty. Kill them all."

The fact is, most Afghans are just as innocent, and just as much victims of the Taliban/ bin Laden/ al Quaeda as those in the World Trade Center were. If not more so, since the ordinary Afghans have had to put up with these sadistic b******* every day of their lives for years. Don't have a beard? Take your beating. Ankle showing, Mrs. Smith? Take your beating. No food, Mrs. Jones? Tough s***, we don't allow women to work and earn a living. You'll just have to starve to death.

Are you morally any better than the terrorists? By posting crap like that, you demonstrate that you aren't.

Unfortunately, there are many cases where it's impossible to distinguish between the innocent and the not so innocent. A lot of Taliban "fighters" only have guns in their hands because the Taliban will murder their families if they don't pick them up. In that case the best thing we could do morally (which is fortunately the militarily sensible thing as well) is try and provide an opportunity for defections.

If that doesn't work, then we simply have to kill them. By having a gun in their hands (however willingly or unwillingly), they are a legitimate military target.

There are also many occasions when a military target is so important you have to just take it out even though you know in advance there are going to be significant civilian casualties as well. In that case, the moral responsibility for the murder of innocents lies squarely on the Taliban who, by their actions, put them in harm's way by creating a situation in which they knew their own civilians would be killed.

But there's a major difference between those scenarios and what you propose. Don't dare to suggest we ought to just casually machine-gun (or nuke) innocent civilians and then pretend to be moral, or a good American. The fact is, if you seriously propose this, then you're morally no different from the al Qaeda thugs. Or the Nazis, for that matter.

26 posted on 10/23/2001 8:56:03 AM PDT by butter pecan fan
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To: butter pecan fan
Or, to put it another way, perhaps more succinctly:

Protection and mercy to the innocent, American or otherwise.

Death to sadistic murdering b******* who deserve it. And yes, that would also include any American sadistic murdering b******* too -- Timothy McVeigh and Jeffrey Dahmer being excellent examples.

27 posted on 10/23/2001 9:02:15 AM PDT by butter pecan fan
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To: butter pecan fan
Are you stoned or just born stupid? Never once did I declare my moral superiority over middle-eastern scum. They are just as guilty of the crime if they had piloted the aircraft themselves. We held the Japanese "innocents" to the same fate as their leaders.

This is war, not a pleasure cruise. Apparently you and the "reporters" at CNN need to get your head out of your collective asses and see that they do not see any difference between you or a soldier in their backyard.

They are either all with us, or all against us. Choose sides carefully....there's no going back now. FYI: Nuclear weapons have been approved by this government for deployment in the middle east if the situation calls for it. Growing up with the middle east becoming an ever-increasing problem which they seem unwilling to solve themselves, shows that a final solution would be more appropriate. I could care less who calls themselves innocent, as their children continue the butchering of other "innocents". Would you care so much about a crackhead [who just robbed your house and killed your family] if the cops were beating him like Rodney King?

Why should the US care one way or the other what the Saudi's or the Afgani's under the Tali-wackers think. They are the enemy, which they have proven, time and time again. How would you deal with the enemy, slap them on the hand and tell them not to do that anymore? Probably, but they'd be back tomorrow attacking. If not you, then your neighbor.

29 posted on 10/23/2001 12:41:08 PM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: butter pecan fan
"YOU are just as guilty as any American politician who bin Laden has a grievance against, and you and I (and all American citizens, such as those in the World Trade Center) are legitimate targets for destruction."

I don't know where you've been, but WE ARE TARGETS! They do not see the difference, so why should we? Just to be "better" in the eyes of the world than the rest? We have already done that and now we are blamed for not doing enough, or supporting Jews too much.

Their squabble over a tiny strip of land is just an excuse to make war. If the Palestinians are unable to hold a piece of territory, they should leave. Also, if the Israelis can't get out of Palestinian areas, they should take the entire region by force, and tell the PLO to go to Afganistan.

If that is the "reason" we are being attacked (for "liberation" from Israli occupation), then it needs to be addressed. Nuke em both, and who is left to complain about it? War is hell, but there must be some fun in it as these two groups have been at it for awhile, and have no signs of letting it go. Both want the other dead, plain and simple.

Why choose sides on this one? I think they are both evil.

38 posted on 10/23/2001 3:09:28 PM PDT by RasterMaster
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