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As I pointed out and as I recall angelo agreeing, binding and loosing referred to imposing religious obligations on people or releasing them therefrom by authoritative decision.

Actually, you are both right. 'Binding and loosing' does refer to interpretation of the Law. Now, the Law clearly deals with matters of religious obligation, so interpretation of the Law necessarily entails imposing and releasing people from these obligations.

As far as how this might apply to Christian churches, that is for you guys to hash out.

Actually, you are both right. 'Binding and loosing' does refer to interpretation of the Law. Now, the Law clearly deals with matters of religious obligation, so interpretation of the Law necessarily entails imposing and releasing people from these obligations.

The point I was seeking to make in the exchange is that Binding and loosing in the original sense would have allowed creation of new law *only* insofar as it was meant to clarify existing law. Is that not correct; because as of this date, that is my understanding of the matter. Which I don't mind researching further - not like there are no jewish rabbis in this town to ask LOL.

The Devil does have rights. He has jurisdiction over anyone that is not one of God's Sheep. God has agreed to do things a certain way in Covenant with man. And all three parties have defined rights in that covenant. God deciding that satan didn't have rights to tempt Mary in any fashion would be a violation of the Covenant - breaking the rules. God doesn't break his rules or his promises - that is something that Man and the Devil do. God is Just.

Whoa. Slow down. Nobody said anything about God keeping the Devil from tempting Mary. Mary was free from Original Sin but not protected from temptation. Just like Adam and Eve were free from OS, but open to the Devil's temptation. One of these days you might actually understand this Catholicism you always rail against.

If we say that Mary needed special assistance from God to remain sinless you rip us for saying God violated the devil's "rights" and turned Mary into a slave.

Nobody needed special assistance in the old days to live a righteous life - they just needed to obey God. The same is true today, with the caviat now of accepting Christ rather than heeding the old sacrificial system. Ya'll act like there was no such thing as a righteous person before Jesus came along. You can't really be that dumb.

Angelo, call your office.

Havoc, why this Jesus thing again if it was so easy to be righteous before? Isn't it a big proof text of your side that "all men have fallen short" to prove that Mary couldn't have been without sin? Now you say that righteousness was obtainable under the old system.

SD