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To: Havoc
The Bible never says in so many words "Mary carried God in her womb" but we can say it by deduction.

The Bible had no need to say such stupid things.

Stupid things? Stupid things?

OK, let's go over this again. Jesus is God. Mary is Jesus' mother. Ergo, Mary had God in her womb.

Which of the two statements do you not believe? Was Jesus not born of woman, or was Jesus not God?

SD

1,184 posted on 10/19/2001 7:49:13 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
As to faith alone, I found this rather long section in the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers.

Here's the link

I don't think this will fit your definition of "faith alone" (could it be that a similar problem exists in how Catholics define faith alone and scripture alone?), however I found the description of faith vs. works and law vs. grace to be very amenable to this Protestant. More to come...

1,191 posted on 10/19/2001 8:09:57 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: SoothingDave
Therefore I ought flint to show that the faith by which we are Christians is the gift of God if I can do that more thoroughly than I have already done in so many and so large volumes.


Nicene and Post-Nicene Volume V, Augustine, First Book, Chapter 3.

I quoted just a tiny bit from this long treatise against the Pelagians, but again, this Protestant didn't have a problem with the writing. More to come...

1,198 posted on 10/19/2001 8:19:47 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: SoothingDave
Which of the two statements do you not believe? Was Jesus not born of woman, or was Jesus not God?

The scripture you started out with is fine. The elaborations needlessly made on them via logic and reason turn them into an inferrance that Mary gave birth to God - which she did not. Which is the target of what I said. Such stupid statements as these are not in the Bible for a reason - chiefly because it isn't true.

1,206 posted on 10/19/2001 8:28:19 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: SoothingDave
OK, let's go over this again. Jesus is God. Mary is Jesus' mother. Ergo, Mary had God in her womb.

This deduction places an emphasis on Mary that is missing in Scripture. Yes, she was the most blest woman in being given the privilege to carry and give birth to the Son of God, but that is where Scripture ends in her importance. If God, through the human authors of Scripture, had ever referred to her as "the mother of God," it would be different, but to call her that when God does not, is to place an unintended emphasis upon her.

1,293 posted on 10/19/2001 11:27:52 AM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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