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JH, you are either invincibly ignorant or willfully Lying .

Uh... dadwags you might want to chech this out before you eat your plate of crow.

What the catholic church teaches:

MARY IS A PERPETUAL VIRGIN. The Catholic Church contends that Mary had no other children after bearing Jesus.

"The Blessed Virgin had no child other than Jesus. Such is, and has ever been, the faith of the Church, whom Christ has promised to assist till the end of time" (Any Questions?, p. 63). [ We must be careful to point out that this teaching WAS NOT the teaching of the church in the days of the Apostles, as we shall soon see! The phrase "has ever been the faith of the Church" is entirely false.]

"... the glorious ever Virgin Mary" (Vatican II documents, "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church").

What our God teaches from His Word:

Mary had other children after she bore Jesus. She was not a perpetual virgin!

"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?" (Mt. 13:55-56).

How do you like your "Crow" medium Or well done? :)

BigMack

"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?" (Mt. 13:55-56). How do you like your "Crow" medium Or well done? :)

Uh oh Big Mack......I smell a link comin' your way chosen from among Jerome, Arthur McGowan, Ignatius, Clement, Soothing Dave, Polycarp, Justin Martyr or somebody who knows more than the Bible. You've gone and done it now.

JH, you are either invincibly ignorant or willfully Lying .

Uh... dadwags you might want to chech this out before you eat your plate of crow.

Thank you Big Mack, but which one were you helping me out of, the "Invincibly ignorant one, or the "willfully Lying" one?

I can't seem to make up my mind which one I like, the invincibly part sounds nice, but I don't care for the ignorant part. Then on the willfully Lying one, I can live with willfully, but then I don't lie, so there goes the lying part. Hummmmm, I wonder if I could take "willfully invincible", and let them keep the ignorant lying part? :-)

"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?" (Mt. 13:55-56).

Mary was very busy and had a lot more than these few children, didn't she?

After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once... (1Cor 15:6)

And that doesn't even include all his sisters.

"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?" (Mt. 13:55-56).

Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children. (Matthew 27:56)

Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the [wife] of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. (John 19:25)

There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome (Mark 15:40)

15 Matthew and Thomas, James the [son] of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, 16 And Judas [the brother] of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor. (Luke 6:15-16)

I've seen the case made that Celophas and Alphaeus are the same person by the fact that the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek either as Alphaeus or as Clopas. So although James and Joses are the sons of Mary, it is a Mary other than the Virgin Mary (her sister), and one who is married to Cleophas. Also, James and Judas are shown to be the sons of Alphaeus (Cleophas). Therefore, I'd be reluctant to count James, Joses and Judas as blood brothers to Jesus. Which reduces the 500+ brethren somewhat.