The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[al_c]

Yes, I do read them. I enjoy the Scriptures you present every day very much. It seems to me that the application is always geared toward a more Social Gospel than the Gospel of Salvation, i.e. let's make Society better rather than let's see people Born Again and THEN Society will get better. Sometimes I think that we have the cart before the horse.

Interesting take. I'll have to give that one some thought.

[SoothingDave]

Talk with your benefits administrator, and verify that it should be covered by the policy.

I think this is the problem. The shots aren't covered by my "formulary" of prescription drugs we are allowed to get. So they are saying it is covered under major medical. Or some such thing.

SD

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

Well gee, did Adam get created first? Did God not make the man head of the House? Didn't God say, while cursing Israel, that they would be a nation led by women? Gee, I guess either God is wrong to say such demeaning things or He is just giving us humans our roles in which to live a more productive, Godly, orderly and spiritual existance.
He said a bishop should be the husband of one wife (ie. not 2 wives, 3 wives or 4 wives etc) however it does not say that a Bishop MUST be a husband at all. We need to not rely on the exact wording of one translation but also on good judgement as to what the writer is trying to teach us because very clearly, Paul states in earlier writings that he prefer men stay single so they are givin soley to God because being married requires responsibility to wife and our Lord. Not always easy, trust me!

[al_c]

Hey, Mack ...

[al_c]

I think this is the problem. The shots aren't covered by my "formulary" of prescription drugs we are allowed to get. So they are saying it is covered under major medical. Or some such thing.

Sounds like a brush off to me. If the doctor says Sara needs it, then it is medically necessary and BCBS should pay their percentage. BTW ... what plan are you on?

[eastsider]

We need to not rely on the exact wording of one translation but also on good judgement as to what the writer is trying to teach us ...

This seems to me to be especially true when dealing with translations in a language like English that isn't as heavily inflected as koine.

[ksen]

I think the Catholic view, to simplify, is presdesination of the Saved, but not the Damned.

I can see that, because since God is not in time if you are Saved then God has always seen you that way and has acted toward you in that manner.

-ksen

[nobdysfool]

Excuse me if I find this amazing. Are you perhaps suggesting that the manner in which your salvation was realized, or the impetus for your salvation may have been a sin? That you entered a Catholic Church, looked at the Crucifix and were reminded of the real Crucifixion, brought to your knees in repentence, but Crucifixes might be evil?

Actually, I'm just trying to say I'm not taking a position on Crucifixes, because of the circumstances of my conversion. If I take a position, I would be accused of doing one or the other of what you stated. I cannot in reality be objective about it. What happened, happened. I leave room for the Sovereignty of God, and leave it at that.

[RobbyS]

And what do they mean by "major medical" Only in connection with major trauma? It seems to me that they are trying to practice medicene.

[IMRight]

Second class the way Pat Ireland would define it, yes. This is their role in God's kingdom. If they love God they wouldn't think of it being 2nd class at all.

That's simple enough to prove. Ask Becky.
My money says that she agrees 100% with the scripture verse AND doesn't think that it makes her a "second class citizen"

I don't want to speak for her but I know that my wife would say so If I allowed her to speak in public that is :-)

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

I appreciate your understanding however I am not Catholic.
I am reluctant almost to call myself anything. I believe the Word and unfortunately too many people form a belief system on an issue without studying and comparing like verses in Scripture in order to get a consistant opinion.
I agree with you whole heartedly on this aspect and am quite surprised it is an issue at all.

[IMRight]

Paul states in earlier writings that he prefer men stay single so they are givin soley to God because being married requires responsibility to wife and our Lord

True. But here's a question for you... It can of course be argued that scripture does not require a priest to be celebate (and of course the Church recognizes this since there are married priests)... so the protestants have that "stick" but how many of their pastors remain celebate?

If we agree that Paul's preference is for a man to remain celebate... wouldn't that be a good standard for a church leader? So how many protestant churches have celebate ministers? The ones I've attended won't even consider you for a music pastor position unless you're married.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

As I pointed out, it is legitimate to state a general principle without simultaneously stating all the nuances and caveats associated with it. E.g., 1 Cor 6:9-10. "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanderers and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God."

lol. What Boniface said makes perfect sense in context angelo. lol.

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

The ones I've attended won't even consider you for a music pastor position unless you're married. You are correct and how sad is that?! Paul preferes single however, if we are to marry, it must be to one, not 10. Does the Catholic church deny that a Bishop has the right to be married? Does the Protestant church deny that a Bishop has the right to be celebate?
Why are we making rules God did not give us?

[malakhi]

Good Morning Soothing Dave. :-)

Two psychiatrists pass each other on the sidewalk.

The first one says, "hello".

The second one thinks, "Hmm, I wonder what he meant by that?"

[IMRight]

Does the Catholic church deny that a Bishop has the right to be married?

Only if he wants to be a Bishop :-)

Seriously... In the "Roman rite" priests and "higher" (and I believe Deacons who are not already married) choose a life of celebacy and dedication to God - Just as many holy women do - I'm not sure that "deny the right to be married" is an adequate description.

There are other accepted rites within the Catholic Church that do not require celebate clergy and there are, in fact, married priests and bishops within those rites. In some cases, entire dioces of Aglicans have "swum the Tiber" together and their priests and bishops remain in their positions (and keep their wives).

[JohnnyM]

"Paul compounds this when he makes clear that God came to this decision before either one of them had ever sinned much less been born yet."

That's because God knew the decisions they would make. He sees all time, not just the present. He knew Esau would make the descision he did, and by knowing those decisions he could make that statement.

JM