The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

The sheep are not merely the saved.

Ok, I'll bite, who are merely the saved and what are they saved from?

BigMack

[Romulus]

>>Does Sarah prefigure Mary?<<

I think a case could be made for this.

Sarah had only one child, as I recall.

[vmatt]

Where do you find Scriptural support for what passes for tongues today?

Clever of you, ksen. That's not what I said but you word it in such a way that I am pressured to reply in defense. What passes as tongues in many cases is the same as what passes for claimed powers of healing, which I have never seen or experienced.

Allow me this witness before God and everybody, I have spoken in a language that I could hear myself speaking, recognized as a language that does not exist on earth while being filled with a power which I cannot describe for its utter love, peace and joy, the experience of which changed my life from 1976 until this day. And this is not the only experience I have had with this power. Many today have had the same experience. If you have not there is only one reason, you do not believe it.

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

You Don't. The verses used also contain very telling guidelines for us to discern if it is real.
The fact is I grew up in a Pentacostal setting and I not once saw a church follow the Bible in it's use of thie "heavenly language".
Remember one thing. We have been directed to be "sober minded." It is against scripture for us to lose our witts so if someone is claiming God is responsible for their flopping to the floor uncontrolably, laughing uncontrolably, speaking out in jibberish uncontrolably, etc. Don't believe it. God does not contradict Himself nor the charector (fruits) which we are to display.
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and..." READY FOR THIS?"...SELF-CONTROL."

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Sarah had only one child, as I recall.

lol. I guess that leave Mary out of the loop.

[the808bass]

Sarah had only one child, as I recall.

And the ark of the covenant was made of gold.

[vmatt]

It is against scripture for us to lose our witts so if someone is claiming God is responsible for their flopping to the floor uncontrolably, laughing uncontrolably, speaking out in jibberish uncontrolably, etc. Don't believe it.

I have done all these things you say are not believable. Am I a liar?

[SoothingDave]

Allow me this witness before God and everybody, I have spoken in a language that I could hear myself speaking, recognized as a language that does not exist on earth while being filled with a power which I cannot describe for its utter love, peace and joy, the experience of which changed my life from 1976 until this day.

You've got my curiosity going here. Do you know the meaning of what you were saying? How do you know that what you said could not be recognized as one of those existing on earth?

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Christ provided His Church with a magisterium .

I seem to recall you guys providing it about 500 years after Christ. Quit blaming him for stuff.

[dadwags]

#6072
"She's a mean....."
You must really like to live dangerously , Big Mack >:)

[SoothingDave]

I seem to recall you guys providing it about 500 years after Christ.

It seems like only yesterday you were so proud of the fact you knew nothing except Scripture and Christ Crucified. Now you're giving history lessons? :-)

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

To: JohnnyM

Once you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Saviour you accept His sacrifice for you. You are clean.

Yes, until you do something to make yourself unclean.

Heb 10:26-29. If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be only the dreadful prospect of judgement and of the raging fire that will burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three, and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.

6246 posted on 11/6/01 1:24 PM Central by allend

Havoc my friend, this looks close to what you are saying.

BigMack

[JohnnyM]

I dont think nation is saying you didn't experience it. I think he is saying it was not of God. Is this correct nation???

JM

[DouglasKC]

God provides. When we bring to mind the work of Christ, offer it to the Father along with our meager lives, God touches our altars and transforms the bread and wine into truly the Body and Blood of Christ. It is at once a meal and a sacrifice. It is the unbloody representation of the Crucifixion, the only acceptable sacrifice. It all ties together in majesty.

I think that's beautiful. I don't agree with it, but it is beautiful.

Does the communion wafer taste like flesh and the wine taste like blood? I'm asking this seriously.

[IMRight]

The weasle words? "It is not clear. Proof enough that even the NAB translators wouldn't claim the "three women" argument. EXACTLY!

The reason "it is not clear" is very simple. There are no punctuation marks in early Greek. No manuscript would have any indication how we should read that verse ( "his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas" or "his mother's sister Mary, the wife of Clopas")

I love those people who essentially believe that the Greek was translated from the original KJV ("hey there's a comma here in English, I'll build my doctrine on that")

[ksen]

Allow me this witness before God and everybody, I have spoken in a language that I could hear myself speaking, recognized as a language that does not exist on earth while being filled with a power which I cannot describe for its utter love, peace and joy, the experience of which changed my life from 1976 until this day. And this is not the only experience I have had with this power. Many today have had the same experience. If you have not there is only one reason, you do not believe it.

Sorry, I really wasn't trying to trap you. I just assumed that when you said that you had spoken in tongues that you meant the kind that you would hear in a Pentecostal/Assembly of God church today. I shouldn't have assumed that.

I am not trying to say that you didn't experience what you said you experienced, but I am curious, is there Scriptural support for what you say occured to you?

Thanks.

-ksen

[JohnnyM]

yes allend read my whole post. I am saying in essence the same thing you that was in Hebrews. Someone who sees the sacrifice of Jesus as a license to sin is not saved at all. Someone who is saved who sins, that sin is still covered by the blood of Christ.

JM

[the808bass]

It is against scripture for us to lose our witts so if someone is claiming God is responsible for their flopping to the floor uncontrolably, laughing uncontrolably, speaking out in jibberish uncontrolably, etc.

Just FYI, this is debated even in Pentecostal circles. In the AoG, there is much debate over whether or not these are controllable or uncontrollable. There hasn't been a concensus reached (though I fall in the controlled camp). I have experienced many phenomena, including "slain in the spirit," tongues, etc. At no point was I not in control (IMO). I made a conscious decision at each step to surrender my will to God and had the option at any point to remove myself from the experience. This is just FWIW.

[vmatt]

I wish no one would say that my experiences are not of God. Just say you simply don't believe me and leave it at that. This is dangerous ground IMHO.

Matthew 12

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.