THE PERPLEXING PUZZLE OF THE PUBLISHED PASSENGER LISTS

Gary North's REALITY CHECK | 12 October 2001 | Gary North

[jedi]

Anyone have answers?

[denydenydeny]

Try the FR search engine, which, if you'd bothered to use it, would have shown you that this article is, a little, well, overwrought.

[Gordian Blade]

I don't think he can go to step 2 or other steps until step 1 is cleared up. I read on FR that one of the doomed flight attendants gave the seat # of one or more of the hijackers. In my opinion, the lists of the victims he was using were incomplete.

[mrgolden]

If I had listened to Gary North during W2K, I would have a 50 gallon drum of quarters in my garage right now.

[Common Tator]

The airlines are prohibited by law from including the names of victims on passenger lists of those killed until they have certified proof that the next of kin was notified.

It was a little hard to notify the families of the hihackers. Thus their names are not on the lists.

Dis you ever notice that stupid people post stupid things.

[Northpaw]

Dis you ever notice that stupid people post stupid things.

No, I disn't. ;^)

[KC_for_Freedom]

And one other thing I read, none of the hijackers used ID with their true names when they boarded. The received State drivers licenses under different names. I read that the final list of names was after the FBI did a lot of research and traced the folk back to original visas etc.

[MHGinTN]

One Gary North is either retarded (so how could he publish on the net?), or he's so full of sh!t thazt he needs to spew it out on the populace, to raise the sale of tinfoil I suppose. No Arab names released except the ones the fed ID's as terrorists? Duh, what does that means?

[Cicero]

The short answer, given on earlier threads, is that airlines never publish the names of people whose next-of-kin haven't yet been notified. In fact it's illegal to publish them.

Presumably no one could notify the next-of-kin of the terrorists, or of several other passengers.

Next question?

[monkeywrench]

"Here in San Diego it was discovered that airlines were letting groups of illegals board aircraft without showing ID like the citizens have to do.)" 58 Posted on 09/04/2001 18:43:22 PDT by John Jorsett I came across this, just today.

[MarkWar]

>How did 19 Arabs get onto these planes and then remain inconspicuous until the planes were aloft?

Here's a fact about the hijackings that was noted by a Russian intelligence analyst just days after the hijacking. (It was up on the LaRouche web site, but since has been replaced.)

Many people made phone calls from the hijacked planes. At least one caller was an experienced reporter. There are NO published reports that ANY of the callers made mention of the nationality of the hijackers. Nobody, apparently, said anything like "Arabs have taken over the plane."

The Russian analyst observed that so many people made calls and spoke to relatives and friends that the Feds couldn't have censored such a comment if anyone made such a comment.

The Russian analyst observed that since nobody from the planes CALLED ATTENTION to the nationality issue, it MAY have been because THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE were confronted with hijackers WHO WERE NOT NOTICEABLY FOREIGN.

Of course, the photos of the "hijackers" are all noticeably foreign. Go figure.

Mark W.

[JimNtexas]

"How did 19 Arabs get onto these planes and then remain inconspicuous until the planes were aloft?"

Well, lets see, they went out and bought tickets, showed their real IDs, carried only "weapons" that were explictly allowed, and sat down in their seats.

In my opinion whoever wrote this article is an idiot, or a con man with something to sell.

[Julliardsux]

This is garbage - they did not mention that the callers noted nationality on the news to prevent anti-arab backlash.

[Cold Heat]

Since the FBI has control of the investigation, no media will ever get the information for a complete story that makes sense. The empty holes will likely be filled when the investigation is totally public. Until then I suggest we realize that this missing information will not change the bacic facts or events. I am more than happy to remain ignorant of the true passenger lists.

[Restorer]

carried only "weapons" that were explictly allowed

Exactly.

There is no mystery here. I carried a Leatherman Multitool onto airplanes for over 10 years, hundreds of flights. It has a 3.8" knife blade. I would normally put it in the little plastic tray and hand it to the attendant. In all that time nobody ever questioned what the rather peculiar-looking device was or asked me to open it to measure the blade. As we all found out on 9/11, you don't need a 4" blade to cut a throat.

Today, of course, the Leatherman goes in my checked luggage.

[aristeides]

Presumably no one could notify the next-of-kin of the terrorists.

Don't we know that some of the hijackers, like Atta, were traveling under their true names? Why couldn't their next-of-kin be notified?

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

Problem solved......... just to add to the excellent answers already posted here:
(1) checking the passenger lists, you will note that names must be being added as it is legal to do so. The numbers for flight # 11 now match perfectly: 92 people on board(11 crew, 76 passengers, 5 hijackers)

(2) The hijackers were NOT on the "passenger" lists on the CNN site North cited simply because the site labels the lists as "VICTIMS". Obviously the hijackers were not "victims"!

Geeze, you don't even have to be VINNIE to figure this out, even I could see it!

[Uncle Sham]

One potentiality is that that there may be security reasons having to do with present investigative efforts which preclude releasing all of the names.