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Posted on 09/29/2001 9:00:56 PM PDT by Benoit Baldwin

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To: George W. Bush
Interesting...

I was trying to make the blockquotes stand out a little better by removing the color change. I opted for a border style just on the top and bottom. When I use the border statements (last three), I lose my font-family.

Interesting...

DIV.body BLOCKQUOTE
{
    BACKGROUND-COLOR: steelblue;
    FONT-FAMILY: "courier new";
    FONT-STYLE: normal;
    FONT-SIZE: 9pt;
    margin-right: 0;
    PADDING-BOTTOM: 1%;
    PADDING-TOP: 1%;
    padding-left: 1%;
    padding-right: 1%;
    border-style:groove;
    border-top-width: thin;
    border-bottom-width: thin;
}

41 posted on 10/01/2001 1:34:32 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: RedWing9; steveegg
I've changed your 4.77 version to use lightsteelblue background with tahoma 10pt and blockquote background to lightyellow with courier new 9pt.
Sorry. I'd love to take credit but it belongs to steveegg. I'd love to see what you're doing though. I suspect my color and wallpaper choices are a little lame. I'm just demonstrating the principles. I hope some others will come up with better visuals and let me know about them so I can post better ones for everyone.
I was trying to make the blockquotes stand out a little better by removing the color change. I opted for a border style just on the top and bottom. When I use the border statements (last three), I lose my font-family.

DIV.body BLOCKQUOTE
{
    BACKGROUND-COLOR: steelblue;
    FONT-FAMILY: "courier new";
...
A lot of times, it a tag is unknown or in some way broken, it will "eat" the one that follows. So, if NS4.77 choked on steelblue in BACKGROUND-COLOR, it might eat the FONT-FAMILY. As I understand it, the color names are now considered bad style and we're supposed to specify the colors directly.

Try this chart: O'Reilly Color Name Samples. I can see that the steelblue is actually $4682B4 (this is hexadecimal color notation). I can explain it to you if you like but it basically represents each color specified with two digits Red, two digits Green, two digits Blue: RRGGBB. All the colors are made from these combinations. Black is 000000. White is FFFFFF.

So, try this statement instead: BACKGROUND-COLOR: #4682B4;

If that doesn't help, move the FONT-FAMILY above the BACKGROUND-COLOR in the list and see what (if anything) that changes in the output.

And always be careful of those colons and semicolons. They'll mess you up real quick if you don't keep them matched and paired. If you forget a semicolon, it'll usually eat two tags. If you use an illegal value, it will often eat the one or two tags. For a full chart on which browsers support which features and whether a particular feature on a particular browser has any bugs, I like this chart: The CSS Master List. This chard shows at the very bottom, for instance, that Netscape 4 has Bugs in using color keywords like steelblue.

I'd better shut up before you learn all my tricks.
42 posted on 10/01/2001 2:34:22 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: RedWing9
When I use the border statements (last three), I lose my font-family.
Netscape 4.7x doesn't accept borders (in fact, it really fouls things up if you pair, say, an outset and inset). One thing to add to GWB's response; it looks like there's no space between the colon and the groove in your posting of the DIV.body BLOCKQUOTE.
43 posted on 10/01/2001 4:41:05 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: RedWing9; George W. Bush
Got things working. Steelblue is a valid color in Netscape 4.77 (at least my version). Still want to verify certain problems with the style sheet (some threads haven't been fully-loading with the background version) before I go and send out the NS 4.77 version of the colors .
44 posted on 10/01/2001 5:06:33 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: steveegg
Netscape 4.7x doesn't accept borders (in fact, it really fouls things up if you pair, say, an outset and inset).
Actually, the chart at WebReview shows that 4.6 does support those border styles (groove, ridge, inset, outset, etc.) in 5.5.17. But then further down in 5.5.22, it says that 4.6 does Paritally supports border-style and has a Buggy border-width. How much of that was fixed before 4.77, I have no idea. I guess it's hit and miss. I wish I could find a better and more complete CSS compatibility chart.
45 posted on 10/01/2001 5:06:57 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: steveegg
...send out the NS 4.77 version of the colors
I'm waiting to post it. I'm sure you saw that I revamped the website and I'm all ready for the last few versions. Then we'll put a sidebar story up and invite everyone to try these things out.
46 posted on 10/01/2001 5:09:54 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Give me a moment to organize files and add an explanation or two in the NS 4.7 version. While I do, be advised of a couple of things. First, I did manage to get borders working after a fashion in NS 4.7 (it's way too much work to properly implement border styles, and it still doesn't work properly with background images rather than background colors). Second, with ANY CSS, NS 4.7 doesn't quite load certain threads completely. I can't figure out why it doesn't, but it doesn't. I included that warning in the style sheet.
47 posted on 10/01/2001 5:27:03 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: Benoit Baldwin
I'd like to see a table limiting text width to 450 pixels, but other than that, I don't see what the problem with our current system is.
48 posted on 10/01/2001 5:36:35 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: George W. Bush;steveegg
Okay. I'm just one of those old COBOL programmers :), love "wording" my code.

I got most of my coding ideas from the O'Reilly page I linked earlier and Netscape Developer, since I use Netscape almost exclusively at FR. Left, Right, Top, and Bottom Width tags are mentioned, so I gave them a try. But I'm thinking they are a buggy implementation.

I did try to move the order of the tags around, tried different values, etc, but I still didn't have any luck. So, even though having the top and bottom lines around a block quote looks fantastic to me, I think I may give up on it. Of course, this depends on what steveegg found.

Finally, steveegg, I did correct that "missing space" after the semi-colon in the border-style tag, but it didn't help.

49 posted on 10/01/2001 5:46:05 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: 537 Votes
There isn't a problem. Well...a few things, but those are on the "fix it" block.

The whole purpose of style sheets are to allow for personal choices, like background colors, fonts and the like. And the true beauty is that you and I to have the freedom to implement them, or not. They are not going to be required. Consider it an option, like leather or cloth seats in a car.

50 posted on 10/01/2001 5:56:16 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: RedWing9
Quite interesting. While I was working on translating GWB's color style sheet to NS 4.77, it worked just fine for me.

Must be differences between your copy and mine that aren't reflected in the version number. Say, do certain threads (example thread here) not load completely for you? My copy of NS 4.77 stops loading after #55 with any CSS I have loaded, though it does load the entire thread without any CSS.

51 posted on 10/01/2001 6:09:04 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: steveegg
I am on Nscape 4.78. That thread loads all the way for me, although after #55 there is a significant change in the look.

First, the rest of the posts are indented, even the to and by lines.

Second, the special formatting of the to and by lines is gone (i.e. bold, underline, etc.)

Third, the font goes into a light, thin like version of the current font.

Funny thing is, I can't find any open tags between your post #55 and the following post where the "weirdness" starts.

52 posted on 10/01/2001 6:47:13 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: RedWing9
Typical Nutscape. I finally had to stop using 4.77 (can't get 4.78 installed with SmartUpdate) for this place and switch to Internut Exploder (Nutscape 6.1 and Mozilla beta don't like images too much).
53 posted on 10/01/2001 6:50:50 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: steveegg;George W. Bush
steveegg, IE 5.5 loads the thread you pointed me to fine, even keeping the formatting after post #55. :) Gotta love "standards", eh?

The other interesting note, my CSS almost works in IE 5.5. The only difference is the left and right borders appear. Font styles are there though, so it must have something to do with NS and open zero pt borders. Maybe?

It seems so. I quickly just changed my CSS to include both the left and right border width set to zero and IE handled it beautifully. MS did something right? ;)

54 posted on 10/01/2001 6:56:12 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: steveegg
I used to have a full downloaded version, 28+Mb. Sorry I can't find it anymore, I would have gladly emailed it to ya. Do you need the smartupdate 4.78 installer? I have that, it is only 477k. Or are you having problems after the installer starts?
55 posted on 10/01/2001 7:00:18 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: RedWing9
I have problems with SmartUpdate telling me that I don't have enough disk space (which is a bunch of hooey; I have better than 5 GB left), then shutting itself down. Think I'll stick with Nutscape 4.77 for most things and use Intermut Exploder 6 for here and a couple of other sites that don't like NS.
56 posted on 10/01/2001 7:13:08 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: steveegg; RedWing9; John Robinson
I updated the site with your Netscape 6 color-only snapshots, putting them on the same page with the IE color-only version.

I'll fix up a page later for the 4.77 color-only version as well. I've place some warnings about what you and RedWing9 have said about partial loading problems with NS 4.7x style sheets.
57 posted on 10/02/2001 7:29:09 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
These really look great! Thanks!
58 posted on 10/02/2001 3:05:00 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
How difficult would it be to modify the "Latest Posts" page to include peoples' custom style sheets?
59 posted on 10/02/2001 11:13:22 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
Other than carving it up & assigning class names, not difficult at all. But before we go and do that, I'd like to debut the new thread format (and while doing so, breaking all existing style sheets. Uhg.)
60 posted on 10/02/2001 11:55:10 PM PDT by John Robinson
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