On that note, in case either of you missed it, please see this article:
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Posted on 09/29/2001 3:14:13 AM PDT by dennisw
There is a scripture that says there is a time to reap and and time to sow. In my opinion there is also a time to be kind and generous, and a time to be outraged and hostile. It is ok to be furious about the danger that liberal immigration policies placed us in. So please let them hear it in Washington.
CAIR is an Islamist advocate group which supports extremist activities, and they hate Pipes because he has blown their cover as a pseudo-"peaceful" group.
Finally, this group cites "noted author and scholar Edward Said." Edward Said, a liberal darling, is a discredited fraud, An Arab version of the Guatemalan hoax Rigoberta Menchu, or the Ellis (Ellison?) Creep who invented a personal biography as a VN combat vet, and lied about it to his students for years.
Said has an invented history as a Palie but was in fact a pampered Egyptian rich kid. If CAIR hides behind liars like Said, then I believe Pipes before I believe them.
It's all about the umma stupid!!! Thanks for clarifying this word
And that community consists of terrorists and their sympathizers.
Not 100%. I would guess the umma in America has 25% Muslims who are in no way sympathetic to the Islamic crazies and Jihadists. They just come here for a better life. They are afraid to speak up and offend other Muslims. The large mass of Muslims here smile inwardly when America is humbled or Israel suffers a suicide bombing killing dozens. All I have to see is CAIR and it's justifications for Hamas suicide bombers and I know what's really going on.
Who is Abacus 2000? One of those Muslim/Arab ISPs they raided in Richardson Texas?
ABACUS2000 (S8850-OR) info@abacus2000.com ABACUS2000 P.O. BOX 743053 DALLAS, TX 75374 US 888 810 6515 fax: 123 123 1234 Record last updated on 31-Aug-2001. Record expires on 15-Dec-2001. Record created on 15-Dec-2000. Database last updated on 29-Sep-2001 00:30:00 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: FAITH.MYNET.NET 207.13.11.2 JAGUAR.MYNET.NET 65.193.50.3
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First sentence I posted; however, I agree with you - no argument on your statement from me! According to what I have read from the Koran it authorizes lying, stealing, and murdering to further Islam, so if would seem that the terrorists were drinking and indulging in porno to further Islam!
Nah, they were just tasting the fruits of their labors before they got to paradise (or so they thought...). I can imagine that they are quite surprised to find that paradise doesn't have strippers with 38D implants....it seems that the silicone implants melt at high temperatures...;-)
On that note, in case either of you missed it, please see this article:
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Something else interesting from the anti-Pipes site. They criticize him for alledging a danger from Canada's Muslim population. What country did the WTC killers go through to get to the US? Where might they have found support? Care to guess?The Menace of Jihad Suicide
The Jerusalem Post
July 27, 2001Soon after an EgyptAir plane crashed into the Atlantic shortly after takeoff from New York in October 1999, killing 217, the plane's copilot came under suspicion of intentionally bringing down the aircraft.
To which the Egyptian reaction was adamant: no way - Egyptians don't engage in suicide. "Committing suicide is not a trait that Egyptians and Muslims are known for," commented the head of the pilots association.
Islamist (or fundamentalist Muslim) leaders in the United States emphasized that, being a religiously observant Muslim, the copilot would never commit suicide. "Suicide is a major sin in Islam," Maher Hathout, imam of the Islamic Center in Los Angeles, explained. Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations pronounced that suicide "would not be in accord with Islamic beliefs and practices."
Well, sort of. The Qur'an does tell Muslims, "Do not kill yourselves" and warns that those who disobey will be "cast into the fire." The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have said that a suicide cannot go to paradise. Islamic laws oppose the practice.
This religious prohibition has had the intended effect. According to Franz Rosenthal, a scholar of the subject, "suicide was of comparatively rare occurrence" in traditional Muslim society. In contemporary Egypt, statistics bear out that suicide is exceedingly rare.
But those spokesmen are not telling the whole story, for Islamists consider suicide as not just legitimate but highly commendable when undertaken for reasons of jihad (sacred war). Going into war knowing with certainty that one will die, they argue, is not suicide (intihar) but martyrdom (istishhad), a much-praised form of self-sacrifice in the path of God, a way to win the eternal affection of the houris in paradise.
A leading Islamist authority, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, recently explained the distinction this way: attacks on enemies are not suicide operations but "heroic martyrdom operations" in which the kamikazes act not "out of hopelessness and despair but are driven by an overwhelming desire to cast terror and fear into the hearts of the oppressors."
In other words, Islamists find suicide for personal reasons abominable, suicide for jihad admirable. If the EgyptAir copilot brought the plane down because he was depressed about his daughter's illness, he will burn forever in hell. If he did it to kill Americans in suburban Long Island, they might endorse his act.
JIHAD SUICIDE has been around for a millennium. The Assassins, a fanatical religious sect that flourished in the twelfth century developed jihad suicide into a powerful tool of war that succeeded in killing dozens of leaders and cast a long shadow over the region's politics for decades.
The Assassins' suicide soldiers' mission, as explained by the historian Bernard Lewis, had a distinctly familiar flavor: "by striking down oppressors and usurpers, they gave the ultimate proof of their faith and loyalty, and earned immediate and eternal bliss."
In recent times, the revival of jihad suicide began as an Iranian project, starting with the 1981 blow up of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut, killing 27, and followed by a long sequence of attacks on U.S. installations around the Middle East, killing as many as 19, 63, and 241 Americans. During its eight-year war with Iraq, Tehran dispatched young soldiers to detonate land mines, then commemorated their deaths as martyrs.
The Iranians also sponsored a suicide campaign against Israeli troops in southern Lebanon during 1983-85 that did much to push those troops nearly out of Lebanon. Tehran persisted afterwards too. Islamic Jihad, its main Palestinian anti-Israel ally, already complained in 1995 that it had just one problem: "We have too many candidates for martyrdom and not enough resources to prepare them all."
The Palestinian Authority (PA) eventually noticed the effectiveness of this Iranian war instrument and recently adopted it, urging everyone from school boys to hardened criminals to hurl their lives against Israel, with many takers. Their actions have appalled Israelis while spurring impassioned support across the Middle East for the Palestinians.
The danger here is considerable: Yasir Arafat's PA has successfully adopted what had been the unique tool of Khomeini's Islamist regime, suggesting that suicide jihad is a flexible tool potentially available to a wide array of non-Islamist rogue Muslim states (such as Iraq, Syria, and Libya) and maybe even to some terrorist organizations.
It's yet another danger from the Middle East for everyone to worry about.
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