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The Bottom of the "Slippery Slope"
9/27/01 | Pakrman

Posted on 09/27/2001 5:41:55 PM PDT by Pakrman

I don't post here often, but I have enjoyed reading the thoughts of a great many smart (and some not so smart) people. Most of the time I agree, at least in principle, with most of what is said here. I feel it is time for me to put in my 2 cents worth and get a few things off my chest. I suspect I will be flamed to high heaven, called petty names and branded a commie, pinko rat fink...well then so be it.

I feel that our nation has become a nation of hollow, shallow emotions. We bellow for justice and beg our President to strike our enemies down with all our military might, we wave our flags and sing our songs when we claim to be a nation of solidarity...but I believe we are further removed from justice than ever before.

We claim to be a nation of goodness and prosperity, but goodness cannot be something we show only when a tradedy occurs, goodness must go on and on, each and every day there is not a calamity. Prosperity must apply to all in our nation or it really applies to no one. I have been in the working world for some 25 years now, and I have the same dishonesty, greed and pettiness rise to the top of the corporate ladder, time and time again. A company gets profitable...cut some jobs, make it more profitable.

We are shallow nation, a nation of weak commitment. Bill Mahr of Politically Incorrect was essentially correct, we are a cowardly nation, hiding behind our robotic bombs to do the work we dare not do, lest we shed some of OUR blood. We rattle our sabre and drop a few bombs, then call out for the bar tender, get some hollywood bimbos to bare themselves on the deck our our largest aircraft carrier and call it a victory. Our enemy is willing to take the time to learn to fly an aircraft into a building. How many of YOU would do that?

We will lose this fight against terrorism, for we only practice our own form of terror. We are trying to kill what we have become, we just have better weapons and better looking whores. We are not willing to shed our blood for the cause of right, we don't have a clue what right is anymore. We have become a nation that demands others respect us because of our fancy home appliances, and jazzy television commercials, not because we are doing any good in the world anymore.

We are not a nation of right or justice any longer. We are mired in the filth we helped to create and no amount of violence will every get us clean, no amount of killing can ever make us just. I make no distinctions between Republican and Democrat, we are all just part of the larger machine, the goal is the same, we just take a slightly different approach.

So now we find ourselves at the bottom of the slippery slope we started sliding down many years ago. We will have military units at our airports, our cars, bags, and persons will be searched at random and whenever it suits the government, our speech will be curtailed, our mail, phone and private coversations will be monitored all the time, and it won't make any of us any safer, it won't make the world any safer.

So I have said my piece, some of it at least..so go ahead, tear in to me now, ask me how I would like a long weekend in Kabul or a .9mm sandwich, or some other ugly comment, it won't make any difference, the bombs are gonna fall, kids are gonna die and in the end we won't be a better or safer country.
Thanks


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To: Pakrman
"HOW ARE WE GOING TO WIN? What are the victory conditions in this war? No one touches this question at all "

I will be glad to offer my opinion...if you have the courage to answer all of my questions in posts #60 and #70.

81 posted on 09/27/2001 9:03:44 PM PDT by NewLand
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To: Pakrman
God said, "thou shalt not kill", I think he meant that those words applied to each and every day, not just when we find it convienient.

Actually, it should read "Thou shalt not murder" ,certainly what the WTC kamikazies did .

82 posted on 09/27/2001 9:06:56 PM PDT by gatorbait
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To: Pakrman
I don't really believe that you would shoot someone for stealing bread for their child or grandmother..I just don't believe your hear is that cold.

When someone breaks into my house, I don't ask them why. They are an immediate threat, and I will end that threat directly. With a gun. No questions asked.

No, theft is not justified, but keeping people starving and thirsty is not justified either

No one is starving in the United States, and if they are in other parts of the world, that is their own doing.

83 posted on 09/27/2001 9:07:24 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: gatorbait
"Actually, it should read..."
but it doesn't...it reads thou shall not kill
84 posted on 09/27/2001 9:08:16 PM PDT by Pakrman
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To: Pakrman
In case you're not sure, here are the questions:

Can you honestly say that you currently practice and achieve all those characteristics that you accuse us of not being or doing...i.e. "goodness must go on and on, each and every day there is not a calamity". If you do not, then how can you so easily blame all others around you?

Please describe your most recent committment to something that required sacrifice on your part, where others besides yourself benefitted? If you cannot, then you have no place blaming the world around you.

85 posted on 09/27/2001 9:08:34 PM PDT by NewLand
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To: Pakrman
No one touches this question at all

I guess I didn't translate it for you, city boy.

What do you do with a woodchuck who's getting into the garden, or a raccoon who's trashing your outbuilding?

You shoot them.

We got us some varmints thought they could crap all over our country.

Now The Blue Zone won't get all bent out of shape when we shoot the varmints. ;-)

86 posted on 09/27/2001 9:09:25 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: Pakrman
who is them?

On a thread regarding gays serving in the military, I defended the right of homosexuals to serve,
but I agreed that it is a bad idea for them to serve openly. I am ambivalent about
the question of homosexuality, but recognize the morale issue. Curiosity satisfied?

87 posted on 09/27/2001 9:09:25 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: Pakrman
Yes, it may get us somewhere. Roger Fredenburg. the talk show host, said tonight that if we bomb any Muslim nation, it will be the start of WW III, us against all Islamic nations. Is that possibly true? If so are we willing and able to fight that war to the end? (Keeping in mind that Pakistan has nukes and delivery systems). Fredenburg said he was for it as he thinks it inevitable. Do it now!

Roger also wonders, with some reason, why we send the Guardsmen to protect airports and yet our borders are still wide open. Darn good question!

Also, are Mexican trucks still crossing the border? They could easily carry chemical and biological weapons and the Muslim terrorists already here could use them. Let's get more INS agents and military on the borders now! Smoke out the illegal Muslims that are already here!

88 posted on 09/27/2001 9:09:26 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Storm Orphan
"No one is starving in the United States, and if they are in other parts of the world, that is their own doing. "
Bologna on both counts and you know it!
You cannot be THAT blind...I just won't accept that.
89 posted on 09/27/2001 9:10:13 PM PDT by Pakrman
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To: Pakrman
You can run, but you can't hide forever...
90 posted on 09/27/2001 9:11:25 PM PDT by NewLand
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To: Pakrman
I'm gonna smoke you outta your hole...
91 posted on 09/27/2001 9:12:11 PM PDT by NewLand
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To: Pakrman
And how will it get better if the Muslim terrorists continue to kill our citizens and we do not respond?
92 posted on 09/27/2001 9:12:21 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Paulus Invictus
"Do it now! "
Your advocating starting WWIII now? - Starting WWIII at all?
93 posted on 09/27/2001 9:12:27 PM PDT by Pakrman
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To: Pakrman
You claim people are being starved in the United States and abroad as
a result of intentional American policies.

Please cite your evidence.

94 posted on 09/27/2001 9:13:29 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: NewLand
You can run, but you can't hide forever...
Not running and by the looks of my frequent posting, not doing too much hiding.
All I need to know is what are we going to call a victory in this war...how do we win?
95 posted on 09/27/2001 9:14:23 PM PDT by Pakrman
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To: NewLand
No violence posts. Ease down.
96 posted on 09/27/2001 9:14:26 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: Pakrman
Mired in meaningless jabber...can't face the tough stuff?
97 posted on 09/27/2001 9:14:33 PM PDT by NewLand
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To: NewLand
My stupid mistake, I only saw your two previous posts, and took them out of context.

Apologies.

98 posted on 09/27/2001 9:16:35 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: Storm Orphan
"No violence posts. Ease down."

No violence intended. Just trying to get him to answer me. Read my posts and you will u/stand.

99 posted on 09/27/2001 9:17:00 PM PDT by NewLand
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To: NewLand
I have faced the tough stuff all night here -
100 posted on 09/27/2001 9:17:17 PM PDT by Pakrman
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