America's New Religiosity: God Bless America, But Don't You Dare Tell Us To Repent!

Alpha & Omega Ministries ^ | n/d | Dr. James White

[Conservative til I die]

Yep, all the major Christian cults are non-trinitarian in some way or another. Basically, they are all rehashing some early heresy that was eradicated over a millennium ago.

The Mormons say they believe in the traditional divine Trinity, but they don't. They believe God was a mortal being who attained Godhood. Of course, that means that at some point there had to be an eternal, first being, which of course the Mormons don't deal with.

The Jehovah's Witnesses believe in a monotheistic God, with Jesus being an incarnation of Michael the Archangel, and the Holy Spirit as an imanimate "force." That's just rehashed Arianism.

The Moonies believe Christ was a failure as a Messiah.

The Christian Scientists belive Jesus and the Christ were two separate beings.

Quite honestly, none of these sects are really considered Christian.

[Conservative til I die]

I hate religion because it is spiritual bondage . I do however know Jesus and have a relationship with Him . I don't hate those who follow false beliefs, instead I view them as those in need of salvation, as I once was five years ago .

LOL, look everyone, its another one of those enlightened folks who's evolved past religion, unlike us knuckle draggers. OF course, you have the exclusive personal hotline to Jesus right?

Psssssssst! Christ started a Church in his Bible.

[Conservative til I die]

Oneness Pentecostalism is not Christianity either.

[Star Traveler]

As a Christian, my opinion is that Christianity is more an evolution of Judaism. Now, a Jew would disagree with me on this, but I think both would agree that we share more in common than Islam.

Christians and Jews share the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- absolutely and without a doubt.

The Islamic religion is a false religion that has a god, who is the father of lies and destruction -- identified in the Bible as Satan.

The only critical thing that the Christians and Jews don't share at this time is the Messiah, which will soon be changed and we will all will be "one" in that, too. The Apostle Paul makes that very clear in Romans.

[Conservative til I die]

BTW, I'm not a trinitarian

Hence, not a Christian.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Saying you believe in God has nothing to do with eternal salvation through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. What a wake-up call so many having coming to them. Unfortunately, it will be too late.

AMEN !!!!

[Conservative til I die]

Right, I won't lie and say that Judaism and Christianity are compatible, because they aren't, in terms of theology. Can't be.

However, we share much of the same ethic, the same worldview, and some of the same Scriptures. America was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic, not an Islamo-Christian ethic.

[Conservative til I die]

Definitely, we shouldn't give in to immorality. I may have misinterpreted your posts as one of many "We got bombed because we aren't praying enough" posts I've seen on this thread and others.

[Kyrie]

Good one.

When you finish your own essay, I assume you plan to post it on FR...?

Please put me on the bump list.

[BibChr]

Barry Lynn. What a piece of work that guy is, eh?

Or piece of something, anyway.

Dan

[BibChr]

And you wonder why the American people treat you like the Taliban? Many of you extreme fundamentalists share common characteristics with religious fantatics elsewhere. Maybe you dont cut off the hands of criminals or stone women who wear western clothes but then you did burn your share of witches not that many years ago and before that you forced Arabs and Indians in the new world to forcibly convert to Christianity or die by the sword.

It was generous of you to illustrate some of Dr. White's points so vividly.

But I actually never did any of those things. And no, I don't wonder why people like you liken genuine Christians to the Taliban.

But it isn't the reason you give.

Actually, I think you're like the Taliban. After all, you would punish child molestors and murderers, wouldn't you?

< /pointed, but probably totally-missed, sarcasm >

Dan

[BibChr]

"God, the Almighty Patsy."

Very memorable! Where did you first hear that? I think "Sugar Daddy in the Sky."

Dan

[BibChr]

Seems to me Christians and Jews do worship one and the same God.

(I have been thoroughly barraged on another thread for asking if Allah weren't just another word for God, so I accept that the god of Islam --and certainly of Buddhism or Ba'hai-ism etc.-- is not the God of Judaism and Christianity.)

What do you know about this?

Sorry, but what does "this" refer to? Let me try an answer that should cover what I think you're asking.

Do I think Jews and Christians worship the same God? I'll be candid, full-ish, but not terribly diplomatic. I believe Christians worship the God revealed in the Torah, the "Old Testament." He never changes (Malachi 3:6). That God, as the Old Testament very broadly hints (to say the least) and the New Testament makes clear, is one in essence and three in Persons. He said Messiah the Prince would come 483 heptads after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem and before the later destruction of Jerusalem at the hand of the Romans (Daniel 9:24-27), which takes us to c. 20-30 AD. He said His people were to listen to Messiah, or face His judgment (Deuteronomy 18:15-19).

So it is my belief that anyone who worships the God revealed in Torah also accepts Jesus as His divine, incarnate Son, the Messiah. Anyone who rejects Jesus is rejecting that God by rejecting His word, as surely as His people did in OT times (Hosea 4:6, etc.).

Nor is the God of Old and New Testament the God of Islam. The God of Islam is some sort of monad. The living God revealed in the Bible is one in essence, three in persons. Jesus is His unique son, the Prophet par excellence (Deuteronomy 18:15ff.), and the only way to know Him (John 14:6). This is not what Islam teaches.

I hope somewhere in there is the answer to what you were asking me. If not, maybe you want to re-ask on the Biblical Christianity message board?

Dan

[ksen]

...but then you did burn your share of witches not that many years ago...

If you are speaking about Salem, I don't believe anyone was burned to death.

I wonder how our country survived those Talibanistic creatures like George Washington, Noah Webster, John Adams, et.al.

If your reaction is going to be typical of how the general populace will react then I am terribly afraid for the future of this once great Republic.

-ksen

[BibChr]

Talking about God and knowing Him are not the same thing

Totally true. I too am concerned that the word "God" is being used as if it were an amulet or a magical formula. But one hopes that it at least might signal a re-opening of the category, and provide opportunities for those who know God to tell their friends and neighbors about Him.

Dan

[Keyes For President]

Is America so arrogant, so utterly self-absorbed, so diseased by religious liberalism and philosophical subjectivism, that she thinks she can ignore all of history itself and demand from God blessings when she refuses to repent of her evils? Do we really need to be reminded that Planned Parenthood has killed more little children in our land in the week since the attacks than died in the attacks themselves? Are we so blind?

Sadly it seems, yes, yes and yes for the most part. But maybe like Ninevah, we will repent and God will save us.

[BibChr]

Aren't there non-trinitarian Christians, e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses (I don't know, that's why I'm asking)?

Only if you use the term "Christian" sociologically, so as to include anything even vaguely so, from Baptists and indpendant Fundamentalist churches to Christian Scientists and Mormons.

If you use the term in any sense Biblically, so that a "Christian" is one who affirms the fundamental teachings of the Bible, then by definition any individual or group that denies the Trinity, whatever it might be, is not a Christian group.

Dan
Statement of Faith

[Star Traveler]

Sadly it seems, yes, yes and yes for the most part. But maybe like Ninevah, we will repent and God will save us.

Actually, I take it (from one of Jesus' parables) that this will remain the same until the time that He returns. So, I don't expect to see it any differently in regards to Planned Parenthood or as Ninevah shows the example to us.

All this remains the same until the time of the end, at which point Jesus Christ sets up the Kingdom upon this earth. That's when it will change.

[GuillermoX]

Oh yes, I guess none of the Christians in the First, Second, Third and Fourth centuries (before the doctine of the Trinity was formulated) weren't Christians. Glad you're not my judge.