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A Response to Ann Coulter’s call to War
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Posted on 09/18/2001 10:10:00 AM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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To: Andrew Byler
Crusades, Inquisitions, Wars of Reformation, 100 Years War, War of the Roses, the
Irish Troubles, the Great War (fought among christendom), etc etc etc.
And no need to go looking at my fruits - I'm an atheist.
To: Storm Orphan
There's a war of Buddhist aggression going on in Myanmar (Burma) today. The Buddhist military there is forcing Christians to renounce Christ and convert to Buddhism. Failure to do so is resulting in death to Christians. Happening today.
To: twntaipan
Huh. even the Buddhists do it?
Thanks for the heads up.
To: Andrew Byler
So, in other words, your answer to
my question is the latter -- "Slightly modified Hitlerian rhetoric comes to me naturally."
To: Heuristic Hiker
Thank you, great mind food.
To: Storm Orphan
Interesting review there. I've heard otherwise.
"It is a toilsome reading as I ever undertook, a wearisome, confused jumble, crude, incondite." --Thomas Carlyle, Scottish Scholar
"From the literary point of view, the Koran has little merit. Declamation, repetition, puerility, a lack of logic and coherence strike the unprepared reader at every turn. It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has been the subject of innumerable commentaries, and that millions of men are still wasting time absorbing it." --Salomon Reinach, German Scholar
"...an incoherent rhapsody of fable, and precept, and declamation, which sometimes crawls in the dust, and sometimes is lost in the clouds." --Edward Gibbon, Historian
"The matter of the Koran is exceedingly incoherent and sententious, the book evidently being without any logical order of thought either as a whole or in its parts. This agrees with the desultory and incidental manner in which it is said to have been delivered." --McClintock and Strong's Encyclopedia
"Unfortunately the Qor'an was badly edited and its contents are very obtusely arranged. All students of the Qor'an wonder why the editors did not use the natural and logical method of ordering by date of revelation..." --Ali Dashti, Muslim Scholar
"...disjointed and irregular character" --The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam (a standard islamic work)
These may interest you as well, although feel free to correct any mistakes:
- Christians worship three gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus) (Sura 5:73-75, 116) Yusuf Ali's translation deliberately mistranslates Sura 5:73 by saying "They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity". The words "in a Trinity" are not in the Arabic text. The Aramic says, "Allah is the third of three".
- Christians bow in prayer towards Jeruselem (Sura 2:144, 145)
- Wine and sex in heaven (Sura 2:25; 4:57; 11:23; 47:15). Was this not Muhammad's desire?
- It took eight days to create the earth. (Sura 41:9, 10, 12 -- 4+4+2=8 days). The Bible says six days. Other Suras say six days (7:51, 10:3)
- One of the sons of Noah refused to go into the ark and was drowned in the flood (Sura 11:32-48). The Bible says all three went in.
- The ark came to rest on Mount Judi (Sura 11:44). The Bible says it came to rest on Mount Ararat.
- Abraham father's name was Azar (Sura 6:74). The Bible says it was Terah.
- Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca (Sura 14:37). The Bible says he lived in Hebron.
- Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael (Sura 37:100-112). The Bible says it was Issac.
- Abraham built the Kabah (Sura 2:125-127). The Bible does not say this.
- Abraham was thrown into a fire by Nimrod (Suras 21:68, 69; 9:69). The Bible tells us Nimrod lived many centuries before Abraham--he could not have done this.
- Throughout the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron, etc. were all pictured as living and working together. Moses and the flood are found together, the tower of Babel and Pharoh, etc. like they all happened at the same time.
- Man who bought Joseph was named Aziz (Sura 12:21ff). The Bible says it was Potiphar.
- Quran messes up numerous Bible people. Goliath becomes Jalut, Saul becomes Talut, Enoch Idris, John the Baptist Yahya, Jonah Yunus, etc. Because Muhammad had no Bible to read he frequently got the names and events all wrong--but then again, he was supposed to be a prophet...
- Pharoh's wife adopted Moses (Sura 28:8, 9). Bible says it was Pharoh's daughter.
- Noah's flood took place in Moses day (Sura 7:136, 7:59).
- Crucifixion was used in Pharoah's time (Sura 7:124)
- Mary gave birth to Jesus under a palm tree (Sura 19:22)
- Mary mother of Jesus is Moses' sister Miriam (Sura19:28).
- Made up miracles of Mary (Sura 19:23-26).
- Zacharias could not speak for only three days (Sura 19:10)
- The test of how soldiers drank water came in the days of David and Saul (Sura 2:249, 250--actually it was years earlier with Gideon.
Some other discrepancies?
- Abrah's army defeated by birds dropping stones on them. History says Abrah's army withdrew after smallpox broke out.
- The Kabah was build by Adam and rebuilt by Abraham. It was built by pagans to worship a black rock that fell out of the sky. Abraham never lived in Mecca.
- Sura 20:87, 95, the Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans--there were no Samaritans at that time.
- Alexander the Great was a Muslim and worshipped Allah and lived to an old age (Sura 18:89-98). Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great.
- Alexander the Great followed the setting sun and found that it went down into the waters of a muddy spring (Sura 18:85, 86).
As for Ann Coulter, I think this is more or less descriptive of what she says:
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them . . ." Surah 5:54.
To: Storm Orphan
I think he would understand better if you could SHOW him the Muslim theology which explains why violence is inconsistent with Islam in general. Thanks.
To: Storm Orphan
What I want to know ask these moslems is, "Did these people go to Allah..or not?""Most Muslims would say no."
Ok, what is that based on?
To: Heuristic Hiker
Bump for a well written, thoughtful article. ;-)
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