FEDS RELEASED 3 PLOTTERS IN JUNE

New York Post ^ | 9/16/01 | AL GUART

[Lessismore]

...in and around an N.Y.C. federal facility that served no legitimate purpose,"

Apparently.

[roughrider]

"Schiliro said detaining the three men until more complete background checks were made might have raised the controversial issue of "profiling" suspects and violated their civil liberties."

This is ridiculous, and Schiliro knows it. The camel jockeys were not photographing monuments or tourist attractions. They were photographing security assets at a building that has no attraction to tourists, but is a government/law enforcement complex. The FBI had a responsibility to hold them under investigative detention until their identities could be verified. That shouldn't have taken very long. Property--the film--WAS confiscated. Once it was developed, they should have sought the terrorists out after letting them go. If they could not be found, an alert bulletin should have been issued.

Everytime something like this happens, American citizens wind up with fewer "civil liberties," but camel jockeys have "rights," even when they are not citizens. It makes no sense.

[jsraggmann]

Excellent analysis! The Weavers, Davidians and countless others have fallen to our JBTs.

[rollin]

One wonders if the FBI has ever hear of One Hour Photo Developing. Almost every drug store, grocery store and photography store in the nation has one.

But they probably wanted to ship the film to some bureau affiliated developing source where the turn-around time is a couple of weeks.

[rollin]

One wonders if the FBI has ever hear of One Hour Photo Developing. Almost every drug store, grocery store and photography store in the nation has one.

But they probably wanted to ship the film to some bureau affiliated developing source where the turn-around time is a couple of weeks.

[ScreamingFist]

"If they had been part of a militia, or had bought a couple rifles in the last year, or were fundamental Christians, they would have automatically been given the big hairy eyeball." Sad yet true.

[mykdsmom]

I hope this "band" is behind bars somewhere (even another reason for me to HATE rap music)....or at least have been hauled in for questioning.

Of course I'm sure they have been released by now, wouldn't want to be accused of profiling.

I wish I could say I feel confident with the FBI and CIA in charge of rounding up these terrorists but I don't. I have lost faith in an organization that by all appearances appears not only incompetent but more likely corrupt to the core.

MKM

[Travis McGee]

Moron.

You ACLU types are the very ones who have beat the drums for the hamstringing of the FBI over many years, now we all sow what YOU have reaped.

Yes, we will rub it in your face.

[Brian Allen]

The very [Unconstitutional, unlawful and illegal] fact of the existance of any and all of the 58 or so feral-gummint police forces is a brazen violation of every American's "civil rights."

And we let them murder us with impunity.

Go figger.

[boris]

"Civil rights? So they were American citizens? Or do you attained U.S. civil rights just by being a visitor?"

Unfortunately, the latter. The Founders, regrettably, used the word "person" pretty much interchangeably with "citizen".

That is why I have been advocating for a long time an amendment that would:

- Repeal the Fourteenth Amendment;
- Stress that the rights enumerated in the BoR pertain to citizens;
- Define "citizen" as a person who has one or both parents who are citizens--or who is naturallized. Being born on U.S. soil would not suffice to give anyone citizenship.

In the past, these ideas had zero chance of being adopted. Now I'd give it merely 100-to-1 odds against.

--Boris

[tbeatty]

You'd think that our agents would have kept the folks under surveillance until the film was developed, so that they could be picked up again and questioned. I agree that we were fortunate that somebody sensed that they were taking pictures for something other than tourist purposes, but the lack of follow-through is disgraceful.

And since you have libertarian in your name, how would you feel if you knew the FBI was watching you after you did something that they deemed suspicious? I will not trade the 4th and 6th ammendments for terrorists. If we do, the terrorists have won.

[ethical]

Schiliro said detaining the three men until more complete background checks were made might have raised the controversial issue of "profiling" suspects and violated their civil liberties.

Bush and Ashcroft have got themsleves backed up against the wall with their capitulation to liberals and minorities on "racial profiling".

Today and yesterday I have heard both of them say that American citizens needed to have a "heightened" sense of security or alertness. Neither Bush nor Ashcfrot would name the thing we are suppossed to have a heightened sense of awareness about. As a nation what are we suppossed to be "alert" about right now? A tree? A 90 year old man in a wheelchair? A 7 year old child? A pregnant woman?

What are we suppossed to be alert about? Possible enemies and terrorists, people we should not trust. Who are they? Right now Muslims and people of Middle Eastern descent. Background checks and valid deportations are in order pronto.

[MizSterious]

FYI

[Demidog]

Absurd. The rights enumerated in the consitution do not derive from the document. Foereigners have rights whether you like it or not.

[Demidog]

Rights exist whether or not they exist on paper. The moment you take it upon yourself to reject them for anyone, you reject them for yourself. It's a pity there are so many here willing to give up all of their rights in the name of "safety."

God help us all.

[boris]

"Absurd. The rights enumerated in the consitution do not derive from the document. Foereigners have rights whether you like it or not."

Certainly they do.

Just not as many as U.S. Citizens.

Unlike yourself, I do not value citizenship so cheaply. Does the Bill of Rights mean nothing? Nothing, I mean, in comparison to the rights enjoyed by, say, a citizen of North Korea?

If U.S. citizens have no more rights than subjects of the Taliban, would you agree to emigrate to Afghanistan right now? I'd buy you a ticket.

--Boris

[Demidog]

If U.S. citizens have no more rights than subjects of the Taliban

This turns the idea that all men are created equal right on its head. That the government of Afghanistan doesn't exist to protect those rights is not a reason to deny everyone who comes here the "...inaliananble rights endowed by their Creator."

[Judge Parker]

FYI

[_Jim]

Three suspects in the bloodiest terrorist attack in U.S. history were in federal custody in New York three months ago - and set free,

... Schiliro said detaining the three men until more complete background checks were made might have raised the controversial issue of "profiling" suspects and violated their civil liberties.

You know, that's the way it works in our country, a country based on laws and not the simple whims of law enforcement ...

It's tough to get your exact type of cake - and *then* get the time to eat it at your leisure too ...