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Why the towers collapsed: hit at vulnerable point
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| 9/11/01
| Bill Wyman
Posted on 09/11/2001 4:27:20 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: George W. Bush
"Leave it to the private sector."
If there was indeed state support of this act (down to technical guidance, logistics, what have you), the US Government might be able to confiscate that nations financial assets that are deposited/invested through US institutions (that was done during the Tehran Embassy hostage crisis). Thus used for compensation. Question: would there have to be a Declaration of War, or other Act of Congress, in order to sieze assets in such a manner? (don't get into asset forfeiture in the War on Drugs, this is another matter)
To: imperator2
Sure, right after we deport all the Germans and Japs and Eye-Talians and Russkies and Chinamen and...
To: Richard Kimball
When I was doing research for our terrorism response plan, one of the things I found out was that the bomb in the last World Trade Center bombing was actually strong enough to bring the building down, and the planners had it figured out fairly well. The problem was that the people who carried out the bombing put the vehicle in the wrong place. I did not realize this, and appreciate the insight.
To: Arleigh
Your ranting would fit in just great in Afghanistan... just change "palestinian" to "american"
To: Senator Pardek
I saw the guy who built these towers on TV today; he said you are right. The steel buckled from the heat.
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posted on
09/11/2001 8:14:22 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: Lejes Rimul
At 10:55 PM Peter Jennings was talking about the passengers who perished on the planes and said that the airlines had "passenger manifestos." I believe he meant "passenger manifests."
........Freudian slip???
To: katykelly
Read your own insurance policy and see if it doesn't have an excluson for "acts of war." Mine does. However, it remains to be seen if that exclusion can be made retroactively--i.e., no state of war currently exists.
If we declare war tomorrow, does that exclusion apply to today's destruction? IDK. If not, then some insurance companies are likely to go belly up by the end of the month. Something to think about when the markets open again.
To: Real Cynic
hello. it has been suggested to me that besides the plane impact damage, it iz(sic) believed that other explosions may have occurred. do you have an opinion?
To: Lazamataz
Laz, ol' bro... someone is gonna pay. Osama has earned it many times over, whether he did this or not. So have the Palestinians, Syrians, and all the other low-order maggots.
Time and might and right are on our side. Let's do it slow, and let's get 'em all.
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posted on
09/11/2001 8:57:13 PM PDT
by
Dr.Deth
To: Fred Hayek
I can't find a post or news story specifying exactly where each plane hit; do you know? I heard a woman on talk radio this morning say that she and her co-workers had gotten out safely from their office on the 91st floor, after the plane crashed ABOVE them. The second tower was hit much lower.
To: George W. Bush
I still like the idea but have had second thoughts-mainly that the land now belongs to the victims and their families. I disagree with with your reluctance to spend the money. This seems like its an absolutely legitimate place to spend Federal money. The attack was one that those responsible for the WTC could not have predicted or defended against. I doubt it is insurable-acts of war and terrorism aren't. The hole where the WTC is a psychic scar on the National Psyche. I lived in the New York area. There were many things I didn't like but seeing the skyline of Manhattan on the horizon was always a rush.
A reflexive opposition to spending Government money hurts the conservative cause.
To: finnman69
I suspect that as the airliners passed through the buildings they also heavily damaged the interior core (and likely severed exist stairs to those trapped above the impact points). If you live in New York, you should know by now that there are many people who were on floors ABOVE the crash points who were able to escape to ground level before the towers collapsed.
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posted on
09/11/2001 9:13:50 PM PDT
by
Tares
To: jauntybeesting
Second, find out fast if Bin Laden has some bright civil engineers working for him directly or on a laundered contract Bin Ladin and his family made a fortune in Saudi Arabia doing civil engineering for the Saudi government. He is a civil engineer himself by training, and his family got into some huge projects and he likely got to know people of Bechtel's caliber too.
When he started to get political, the Saudi government and his family pleaded with him to come back and do some more family projects. He knows civil engineering forwards and backwards and I'm sure has contacts just as well-versed.
That said, I think it's a little too difficult to muscle those planes to the precise locations, they just aimed for the middle, if they aimed farther down they would run the risk of hitting other buildings in the way. The massive amounts of jet fuel and the fire made the destruction inevitable.
I think the towers were chosen deliberately because of the 1993 prior bombing attack on them.
To: Looking for Diogenes
To: William_Rusher
it is not necessary to hid ident after entering in the xponder code for 'hijacking', which is not either of the codes you mentioned, btw. although they are not secrets, it's probably better to not discuss those codes to the point where they become common knowledge.
To: cdwright
"Be at the airports at 6 tomorrow morning and I'll call you on the walkie-talkies."
straw man argument; look into it.
To: Alberta's Child
World Trade Center was not required to meet City of New York building codes because the Port Authority of NY & NJ is a semi-autonomous agency that operates under its own regulations. These buildings met and exceeded all building codes, and they underwent continuous life safety upgrades over their 35 year existence.
The one thing the PA does well is spend a lot of money on safety.
To: yooper
All steel columns were sprayed with fireproofing that protected them for about an hour in that intense heat.
Somebody should have warned rescue workers about the possibility of collapse after that time.
To: AntiTyrant
didn't have much use for transponders flying helos, always squaked 1200 if I recall for VFR. Never had the need to memorize the code for a hijack.
So you don't need to hit ident huh, why when you pull into airspace around major airports and you get put into a holding pattern do they tell you to climb to yada yada and squak 1233 and hit indent?
To: exit82
I absolutely figured the top would shear off of the first tower and that would be about the worst.
It's truly shocking that the structure failed in such a major way, but I'm not sure it was secondary explosions, as I saw or heard no evidence of that on the videotapes.
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