Posted on 09/11/2001 4:27:20 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
I pretty much agree with your analysis. The tricky part would be to get ID to get on the flights with. Not really that big of a problem if you are talking about people already in the country, but if you have to import the principles from overseas, it gets a bit trickier and more expensive. My estimate was for 30 people and $250,000. Not that difficult. Of course, everything needs to be compartmentalized for security's sake.
Childish revisionism by, or cited by, the author. A MILITARY PILOT lost in HEAVY FOG crashed into the building...and OF COURSE it was an accident...how effortlessly do liberals distort: it's their very nature.
Still & all, Diogenes, an interesting post.
Agreed. Anyway, they probably just aimed at the middle of what was above the surrouning landscape, that is what it looked like to me. I dont see a great deal of planning here, and any grade school kid knows that a plane taking off, is full of fuel, and when it is finished with its trip at the end of a long journey, it is close to empty. That did not indicate any great planning. The reason they they hijacked planes at when they were full of fuel, is because the planes were near the target, and they were all trying to coordinate hitting the targets at about the same time.
I still say, it only took 4 guys acting alone to pull this off, no great master mind, and no outside financing was required. A master might have been behind it, but certainly it was not necessary. Anyway, the targets are suspect, why fly 2 of the planes into one building? A master mind would have picked 4 separate and distinct targets, and if there was outside financing, then more than 4 targets would have been chosen, and the targets would have been in more than 2 cities, it would have been in at least 4 cities for maximum effect.
What happened, is more likely 4 stupid crazy guys who dont mind suicide.
Until at least the pilots, and more preferably the passengers are armed, this could easily happen again. Isreal stopped hijacking by letting the passengers be armed. When I used to fly with my revolver, I would not have let any hijacker fly my plane into a building.
Denied a STATE? After watching them celebrate the deaths of at least 10,000 Americans, I want them denied their very EXISTANCE. I want the term "Palestinian" to be used in the same way as "Assyrian" or "Babylonian" - strictly in an historical sense.
The towers each survived the impact. The structural steel is covered with fireproofing rated at 2-3 hours. The steel is also rated at twice the load it is designed to carry: i.e. the weight of everything above any point in the building. The towers were also designed as stiff tubes due to the tremendous wind load at the higher elevations.
The south tower was hit closer to the middle. I expected that tower to fall from the damaged floor up, and it should have fallen at whatever corner or side the fireproofing burned through first, thus buckling the steel and causing a collapse. That's not what I saw on TV. I saw a straight down collapse, similar to an implosion caused by demolition charges. In reality, the top of the tube should have fallen to one side.
If we say that the steel at the bottom gave way, which is possible due to the first four floors being engulfed in flames, thus the fireproofing could have been burned through and the steel weakened, I would have expected the building above to fall in a semi-intact state.But it seemed that the building disintegrated downward, as it fell. That doesn't add up. The steel in the other parts of the building had not been engulfed in flames, thus the "tube" in some parts should have been intact.
Then the north tower fell within minutes of the south tower. That tower had much less damage, and the damage was much higher up than the south tower. Yet it fell in the same pancake fashion, straight down. One tower collapsed right down to ground level, one down to twenty floors. Controlled demo charges seemed to be at work here.
My take is that the buildings were to be hit by the planes-plan A- and then plan B would be to demo the towers an hour later. Plan B would happen whether plan A succeeded or not, as plan A had more visual impact to the world then a straight demo job.
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From your mouth to God's ears....thank you for putting into words what I want too!
Remember, even the sims respond better than the actual a/c and in the case of the second a/c to hit the WTC I believe you can actually see that the landing gear was down which would also effect the mobility and steerability(sp?) of the plane. Anyone who has ever flown what we in the aviation community refer to as "pigs" heavy a/c, understand the slow response time to pilot input to the flight controls. Kinda like trying to stop an a/c carrier on a dime, just ain't gonna happen. Also, the lack of a proprioceptive (sp?)sense (seat of the pants flying) points to someone who only trained on a sim and never felt that feeling in the seat of his pants that comes from severe banks or dives.
there are now seven total buildings, a large shopping mall, and an enormous garage. An observation deck is a popular tourist destination. Beneath the center two New York subway lines converge; there is also the Manhattan terminus of PATH commuter trains from New Jersey.
The author apparently copy-and-pasted this out of a tourism web site, and forgot to change the wording to past tense.
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