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When I got home I found I had an NIV..I decided to use it..and have now for a couple of years.. You almost gave me a heart attack there. To go from an Authorized to an NIV. I consider the NIV to be absolutely the worst of the modern translations. I would, literally, burn it on the spot if anyone ever gave me one. I mean it. It is truly awful. I'm sure you're heard me rant about it before so I'll stop before my blood pressure hits 250.

To answer your question to Declaration, the TR is the Textus Receptus, the Greek translation produced by Erasmus from the traditional text a.k.a. the received text. These are the manuscripts of the Eastern church of which over 95% of all ancient manuscripts are members. These are also called Byzantine.

The Textus Receptus was the Greek translation of the New Testament which was the basis of the bibles of the Reformation: Lutheran, Geneva, KJV, Olivetti (Ogilvie? French anyway), Diodati, and many others. Of all of them, only the KJV survives and stands alone against the modernist bibles.

The other manuscript family is the Alexandrian. It is led by Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaticus as the exemplars of this text type. There are, as I pointed out earlier, real problems with this family.

From the Alexandrian family, we get the Westcott-Hort tranlation of the Greek New Testament. Although Jerry and perhaps some others will disagree, the Nestle-Aland is really no more than a variation of this family and shares its defects generally. This family includes every Bible translation you've ever seen, althouth the English Revised, less than 120 years old, is the first of these Bibles to be produced in the countries of the Reformation. The manuscripts for this family were discovered in 1) a dusty and unused back shelf of the Vatican library and 2) in the trash can (yes the trashcan) of the St. Catherine's Convent at the foot of Mt. Sinai. Kind of a glorious history, huh?

If you accept the claims of the modernists that they have the "true" Bible based on these strange manuscripts, you then accept that God's real and full Word was kept from his people for over 1500 years. I don't believe it. The Word was preserved, even when the Dark Ages all but extinguished literacy in Europe.

Ok I know what the Textus Receptus was (is?)...I have read about it..it went right over me..thanks

One of our elder candidates calls the NIV the "Nearly Inspired Version"..

I have used that for church (my church's pew bibles are Revised Standards I think),bible studies where different versions are read and so on.. I have a couple KJ that I have used when there has been discussion here..they are the word study ones..so I havent been completely in the dark *grin*