Posted on 09/07/2001 7:36:19 AM PDT by vooch
Thanks, pal, without your input I WOULD NOT FIND THIS GEM
"Between 1994 and 1996 the USA supported the Taliban politically through its allies Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, essentially because Washington viewed the Taliban as anti-Iranian, anti-Shia and pro-Western. The USA conveniently ignored the Taliban's own Islamic fundamentalist agenda, its suppression of women and the consternation they created in Central Asia largely because Washington was not interested in the larger picture. Between 1995 and 1997 US support was even more driven because of its backing the Unocal [oil pipeline] project--even though at the time the USA had no strategic plan towards accessing Central Asian energy and thought that pipelines could be built without resolutions to regional civil wars. "
Hoppie, we are hell of a team together :-) I am only afraid that your Mujahedeen friends are not too happy.
Anyhow, this Rade Rajkovic was a 73 year-old man, and it is hard to understand any motivation for a common law wife (if he really had one) would burn down the house of a poor returning refugee with him in it. Why would she be so mad to do such a thing? I mean it couldn't be an insurance scam as I doubt a refugee has any money or insurance. Maybe she didn't want to return to Sarajevo, maybe she was angry about that, but what could she gain out of killing him and destroying his house?
The report I posted mentioned suspects, so I wonder if the job was done by several people.
You can't avoid the fact that one group expropriated the property of another. It doesn't matter whether it's Serb farmers taking over towns in Bosnia (also an egregious simplification, as non-Bosnian Serbs were in on the kill from the beginning) or Zimbabwean veterans taking over farms in their neck of the woods - it's theft. The rule of law is the hard thing to establish, and seems to have a rather tenuous hold at best in certain parts of the world.
Our faithful allies in Afghanistan were allies of convenience against the Soviets. Once the Soviets left, they couldn't offer us anything and were allowed to pretty much chart their own course. The Taliban appeared 5 years after the Soviets withdrew. The West isn't responsible for every A-hole in the world, regardless of what some would have you believe - thank Brezhnev for giving us cause to fear a Soviet move on the Indian Ocean for the support we gave to the Mujhadeen in Afghanistan.
Don't even play like I'm going to be the one to make you knowledgeable, that's going to require time and an effort on your part that has shown itself to be far beyond what most on this forum are willing to undertake.
Partner, the history of Bosnia is as mysterious to you as history of Afganistan.
One difficult word for today: Denial ( hint: not a river in Egypt)
Don't give up, one day you will figure it out.
Do you know that Izetbegovic had command responsibility for Celebici Concentration Camp, not only command responsibility for 7TH Brigade?
"On that occasion, Alija Izetbegovic also visited tunnel number 9 in which a number of inmates, most of whom went abroad after the release, were kept. These people said that President Izetbegovic was with the group of prisoners who had loaded the ammunition..."
Hoppie, do you feel any guilt today? You should.
Balkan wars and terrorist ties
The December 14, 1999, arrest of Algerian national Ahmet Ressemi at a U.S.-Canada border crossing in British Columbia – he was in a car full of nitroglycerin and bomb-making materials – was headline news in North America. Many theorized that Ressemi planned to blow up a major structure in the U.S. to start the new millenium.
The theorists could have saved themselves some time by taking a closer look at Ressemi´s past ties, especially those with terrorists trained in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where Ressemi fought as a mujahadeen, or an Islamic "holy warrior."
It has been confirmed that Ahmet Ressemi had ties with Said Atmani, another terrorist who fought in the "El Mujahadeen" unit in Bosnia-Herzegovina. The Canadian authorities deported Atmani back to Bosnia-Herzegovina on October 18, 1998, supposedly without knowing of his alleged participation in terrorist activities through Europe.
The NY Times, in it's "Magazine" edition on February 06, 2000 published that: "Last year, sources in Jordan say, the Mukhabarat, the intelligence service, alerted the C.I.A. to at least three plots by Bosnia-based Islamic terrorists to attack U.S. targets in Europe."
This is nothing new, since on December 24, 1995, Voice of America (VOA) reported that French security forces were searching for a number of Algerian terrorists, members of the notorious Group Islamic Army (GIA). The Algerians were suspects in a Paris Metro bombing which, among others, killed two Canadian tourists. The significant thread here is that the bombers were trained in Afghanistan and Bosnia-Herzegovina. Videotapes confiscated by French police confirmed this fact.
In Bosnia-Herzegovina, where the civil war lasted just over three years, the ties between the Islamic fundamentalist regime of Bosnian Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic and known terrorists were exposed quickly. At the beginning of the war, Izetbegovic re-connected with his old friend and a member of ruling clique (National Islamic Front) in Sudan, Dr. Elfatih Hassanein-omal-Fatih.
The Bosnian Muslims, through Fatih´s Third World Relief Agency (TWRA), began smuggling arms for their cause in 1992. American sources suspect that Sheik Omah Abdel Rahman, the radical imam who was convicted of organizing the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre in New York in 1993 had several links to TWRA. Another terrorist with strong links with TWRA is Osama bin Laden, who tops the most wanted terrorist list in the United States. The Riyadh, Saudi Arabia-born bin Laden is noted as the most vicious terrorist today. He was indicted for terrorist attacks on a US military base in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and United States´ embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
Several Bosnian Muslims have direct ties with TWRA, including: Irfan Ljevakovic, a founder of the Stranka Demokratske Akcije (SDA–Alija Izetbegovic´s ruling Bosnian Muslim party), the Bosnian Muslim political wing and the man responsible for bringing mujahadeens to Bosnia-Herzegovina; Alija Izetbegovic, SDA and Bosnian Muslim president who guaranteed Fatih´s credentials to the Die Erste Osterreich Bank (Austria), enabling him to open an account there. The Bosnian Muslims used the bank account to solicit and transit funds for arms purchases. Other Bosnian Muslims listed as Executive Directors of TWRA include: Hasan Cengic, Husein Zivalj (deputy foreign minister of Bosnia-Herzegovina), and Faris Nanic (an advisor of Alija Izetbegovic).
Such ties between "humanitarian organizations" and terrorists are nothing new when in comes to the Balkans.
In April of 1999, Italian police in the port of Ancona confiscated three trucks belonging to the Sarajevo humanitarian aid organization "Kruh Svetog Ante" (The Bread of St. Anthony), which was delivering aid to Albanian terrorists in Kosovo and Metohija. The shipment contained six mortars of Croatian manufacture, 352 grenades, 2,600 hand grenades, anti-aircraft and anti-tank shoulder-held rocket systems, sniper rifles with laser scopes…
Guca Gora, near Travnik, has been identified as a mujahadeen base since the onset of the civil war in Bosnia-Herzegovina. The group was led by Karraj Kamil Bin Alija, who was born on November 19, 1966, in Tunis. He is better known by his nickname ‘Abu Hamza". One of the many reasons given for the death of Joze Leutar, a deputy minister in the Bosnian-Croat Federation, was the letter Leutar sent on November 12, 1998, to the international police forces in Bosnia-Herzegovina. He accused the Bosnian Muslim police of obstruction and failure to arrest Abu Hamza, who supposedly had a full freedom of movement in Central Bosnia. Leutar was killed on March 16, 1999, allegedly by Ismet Bajramovic, called "Celo". According to the Croatian newspaper "Nacional", quoting a Bosnian Muslim source, Bajramovic visited Osama bin Laden´s training camps on several occasions between 1994-95.
At the end of the civil war many of the mujahadeen remained on territories controlled by the Bosnian-Croat Federation instructing Muslim forces in terrorist activities. That activity came to light on December 18, 1995, with the premature detonation of an automobile bomb in Zenica. It is widely speculated that the bomb was meant for U.S. NATO troops serving in Bosnia-Hrezegovina as revenge for the life sentence given to Sheik Omah Abdel Rahman, the brain behind the World Trade Centre bombing in New York.
Also noteworthy is the raid conducted by NATO forces on the training center of the Bosnian Muslim secret police (AID), located in the ski center near Fojnica in February of 1996, and the arrest of several persons for preparing to conduct terrorist actions. Iranian instructors were teaching future terrorists from AID how to disguise bombs as children´s toys, dolls, and plastic ice cream cones.
During the civil war in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kamar Kharban, a leader from the Algerian terrorist organization Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) and a former officer in the Algerian army, was frequently seen in Bosnia-Herzegovina. A veteran of the Afghanistan war, he visited a suspected Algerian terrorist training base in Bosnia-Herzegovina. It is alleged that the training base serves as a source of false documents for a number of terrorist groups.
In a June 26, 1997, report of the bombing which destroyed the Al Khobar building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, The New York Times noted that on of the arrested terrorists confessed to serving with Alija Izetbegovic´s Bosnian Muslim forces. He also admitted to ties with Osama bin Laden.
A recent report from Turkey that Mehrez Audonija, who held a valid Bosnian Muslim passport, was apprehended, caused great concern with the Bosnian Muslim leadership in Sarajevo. The same person was identified as one of Osama bin Laden´s closest associates. Mehrez, a Tunisian by birth and called Abu Talha in Bosnia-Herzegovina, believed the shortest and safest route to Chechnya led through Turkey. His arrest stemmed from a warrant issued by the Bologna (Italy) branch of Interpol which accused him of planning terrorist activities in Italy and being a member of the Algerian terrorist organization GIA.
At the same time, a segment of the media reluctantly reported that the Bosnian Muslim authorities issued a passport to Osama bin Laden himself. The passport was issued in the Bosnian embassy in Vienna, Austria, in 1993.
Defence and Foreign Affairs analyst Yossef Bodansky wrote in 1997 that Iran, from its terrorist bases in Bosnia-Herzegovina, planned the assassination of Pope John Paul II. The assassination was planned towards the end of September 1997. A terrorist group consisting of 20 members holding Croatian, Bosnia-Herzegovinian, Tunisian, Algerian and Moroccan passports were to assassinate the Pope during his Bologna visit. The leaders of the group were all former mujahadeens from Bosnia-Herzegovina. Logistical support for the group was secured through a local terrorist network which was closely associated with GIA. Italian authorities discovered the assassination attempt in time and managed to arrest 14 members of the terrorist cell.
Does the key for the solution of this case, as well as the Bologna case, lie in a Zenica jail where the Bosnian Muslim authorities are "guarding" and are preventing the extradition to France one Moulud Boughelan, also known by his nickname "Suljo"? The French authorities were seeking the extradition of Boughelan, as well as Lionel Dumont (known as Bilal and Hamza), for suspected terrorist activities.
It is worth noting that almost immediately following the French extradition request, Dumont escaped from a poorly guarded Sarajevo jail. Since his escape, Dumont has disappeared. Many believe that this inconvenient witness was simply "eliminated."
As for the Italian authorities, they are still awaiting the extradition of Halil Jarraya, a Tunisian, who is in a Sarajevo jail. Jarraya is accused of being one of the leaders of the Algerian GIA. According to his documentation, he shares the place of birth with Karraj Kamil bin Alija, and some suspect that they are one and the same person. Jarraya is one of fifteen accused terrorists sought by the Italian Interpol, most of whom are believed to still be in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Taken individually, the incidents could be viewed as lone attempts by extremist groups to sow terror. Taken in context with the common ties between groups and the organized terrorist networks, the motives become much more sinister.
Alija Izetbegovic´s friend and comrade-in-arms, Dr. Elfatih Hassanein-omal-Fatih, said: "In the end, Bosnia must be Muslim. If that does not happen, the entire war is meaningless and was fought for no reason." Proponents of the New World Order still believe in the "sincere" wishes of the Sarajevo regime for Bosnia-Herzegovina to become "multi-ethnic." Taking into account the number of international terrorists who have lived or are living in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the country will very quickly become multi-ethnic. Unfortunately, it will also become "mono-religious."
Have fun.
If Izetbegovic is shown to have been responsible for the activities of Delalic, Mucic, Delic, and Landzo, then he'll answer for it. And not run around like a little bitch trying to hide from his past like some other individuals we've seen. He wasn't present at Karadjordevo, and so didn't get a head's up that he should be planning the expulsion of Croats and Serbs from Bosnia - but then he wasn't interested in that in the first place, regardless of what you would have everyone believe. There are Orthodox and Catholic churches still standing in Sarajevo which are damning to your argument, but like so many others, you choose to ignore that which doesn't fit your world view. The joke of a website that you got your article from is ample proof of that. (Either the Serbs didn't commit any war crimes, or balkanpeace is just another Serb propaganda outlet - you decide.)
Lastly, I feel no more guilty today than I do any other day.
How about yourself?
NEXT...
Next thing you know some twit is going to tell you that kicking elderly Muslim women whom you've just shot is acceptable practice as they could be hiding weapons.
No worries, they built their shops on Serb farmland and had death lists of local Serbs concealed on their persons, I know.
And you have the temerity to speak to me about decency.
If you twits would simply stop saying such ridiculous things, all the wind would be gone from my sails.
It's as simple as that.
as the leading Clintonista Humanitarian Warrior on this site, I am frankly horrified that you still cling to your (now throughly discredited) attitude that it is okay to
fund, train, supply, and promote mujahedeen on Sunday and then on Monday "cut off support".......& when the WTC goes down on Wednesday........DENY THE SLIGHTEST RESPONSIBILITY for the blowback
for shame, for shame, for shame, your arrogance is way way beyond hubris and has resulted in the (presumed) deaths of soem fo my dear friends.
Your continued lying is a direct result of flaws in your character.
Piss off, twit.
If anybody else wishes to see why you continue to libel me in this manner, I will gladly show them how it is the only course of action left to you.
Now run along and play with Crazykatz like a good little girl.
It is understandable that you would be defensive regarding your support of Bin Laden's Mujahedeen in BiH & Kosovo......especially that said support strengthed Bin Laden enough so he was able to carry out a attack which murdered 5,000 Americans.
Do you still stand by your support of the Mujahedeen from 1991 through 1999 ?
Run along and compare notes with Vooch.
You two appear to have much in common, newbie.
After 9/11, former Bosnians refugees, on numerous occasions, right here in the USA, were caught saying that it was the Jews that committed 9/11... not muslims.
Is there any end to their bosnian muslim lies? No, they lie because they hate Christians and Jews, period. They would kill all of them, if only they could.
I found this page today and read most of it.I just wanted to say that World will never understand and realize how much Bosnians,especially Muslim population suffered thru this war which they did not want.Holocaust of 1941 is not close to it.Jewish people did get murdered,but these Serbin butchers killed people in maner in which not even animals are killed.God be with them when they comes to The Jugment Day!!!!!!
A good example how Holocaust revisionists operate.
Number of Jews murdered by Nazi regime: 6 million
Number of armed Jews in Germany before September 1 1939: O
Number of Germans murdered by Jews: 0
Total casualties of Bosnian civil war : 102,000
Total casualties of Bosnian Muslims (both civilian and military) less than 50,000
Number of Bosnian Muslims under arms before the start of civil war: 100,000
Before war started, Bosnian Muslim leader Aliya Izetbegovic has said: I will sacrifice peace for Muslim Bosnia, but will not sacrifice Muslim Bosnia for peace.
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