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Great Mistakes and Great Men
Sobran's ^ | August 23, 2001 | Joseph Sobran

Posted on 09/06/2001 2:09:10 PM PDT by sheltonmac

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1 posted on 09/06/2001 2:09:10 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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The language of Vatican II was not specific enough. Those who were honest thought that the predicters of doom were wrong -- that no one would ever take what they said out of context, take advantage of it, have an evil agenda, etc.

There's something to be said for fine print. :-)

The problem is the writers (of the Constitution and Vatican II documents) were too honest and so also more than just a little naive not to dot every i and cross every t.

Now we're paying for it.

2 posted on 09/06/2001 2:15:43 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: sheltonmac
His thesis is correct, but his WWII example is more short-sighted than those he blames.
3 posted on 09/06/2001 2:16:41 PM PDT by Darth Reagan
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4 posted on 09/06/2001 2:30:24 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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5 posted on 09/06/2001 2:30:49 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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6 posted on 09/06/2001 2:31:09 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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7 posted on 09/06/2001 2:31:23 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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8 posted on 09/06/2001 2:31:37 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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9 posted on 09/06/2001 2:31:56 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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10 posted on 09/06/2001 2:32:16 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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11 posted on 09/06/2001 2:32:32 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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12 posted on 09/06/2001 2:33:27 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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But you said it was a foolproof plan!

Never underestimate the ingenuity of fools.

Shalom.

13 posted on 09/06/2001 2:37:00 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: BlessedBeGod
I learned only recently that Cardinal Bugnini's first version of the new Mass deleted the Roman Canon!!! Once upon a time, this would have gotten him burned at the stake. As it was, he was merely instructed to put it back in.
14 posted on 09/06/2001 2:44:05 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: sheltonmac
Philo's Law:

To learn from your mistakes, you must first realize that you are making mistakes.

15 posted on 09/06/2001 3:15:46 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: sheltonmac
Some very good observations, but I think he's wrong about the Constitution. It can be argued, and I will argue, that the Articles of Confederation would've been worse.

Contrary to what Sobran says, neither supporters nor opponents of the Constitution would've been shocked by our current predicament. Bitterly disappointed, but not shocked. They knew, and stated repeatedly, that power tends to expand and liberty tends to shrink. Since our government has overstepped the bounds of the Constitution, what makes you think they would have obeyed the Articles? Would politicians be more honorable? The Constitution, however, gave us a system of checks and balances that has slowed the progress of expanding power. Madison himself admitted it's not the best protection for liberty, though. The best protection for liberty is vigilance on the part of the people, and checks merely help vigilance out. In fact, checks and balances are one more thing we should be vigilant about protecting. We relaxed our guard, and the dishonorable successors to the Founding Fathers took advantage of it for all it was worth. That would've happened just as much under the Articles of Confederation, since human nature would be the same.

16 posted on 09/06/2001 5:05:55 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: sheltonmac
If you wait long enough, anything will happen, Joe.
And interpretation can make shampoo out of  shoe leather.
We aren't impressed.
 
17 posted on 09/06/2001 6:09:33 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: sheltonmac CommiesOut
Japan and Germany were defeated, but they were replaced by a far more terrifying enemy: the Soviet Union.....It was our alliance with the Soviet Union that enabled its spies and sympathizers to lay their hands on American nuclear secrets.

Au contrare! It was the imbeciles in charge of our foreign policy and pro-communist butt-kissers of Stalin, this includes FDR, Eisenhower, and their cronies, who sold out this country, and all of Central and Eastern Europe to the Reds. In 1945, General George Patton warned what was to come if Eisenhower made him stop his armored advance at the Czechoslovak border. They shit-canned Patton to shut him up, by relieved him of his command, and disbanded the victorious U.S. Third Army. An Iron Curtain descended upon Europe, millions were murdered by our red "ally," and we are still suffering from the effects.

18 posted on 09/07/2001 2:38:18 AM PDT by ppaul
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A bump to you.
19 posted on 09/07/2001 7:28:08 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: A.J.Armitage
Great comments, I'm not much of a historian, but what I've seen on this FR web site I'll have to agree with you on this. I think the argument of state's rights and constitutionally were red herrings that duked people into supporting the Confederacy. I believe the majority of the Confederate leaders were idealist and had a tendency to ignore reality. Those that pay attention to reality arn't so quick to jump on the band wagon with the rest of the gang.
20 posted on 09/07/2001 7:43:16 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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