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Fox calls Bush "Jorge" (my title)
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Posted on 09/06/2001 12:40:40 PM PDT by madrussian

By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) - Mexican President Vicente Fox (news - web sites), the first state visitor of the Bush presidency, challenged the United States on Wednesday to strike an agreement on immigration by year's end. President Bush (news - web sites) said ``there is no more important relationship'' than with Mexico but did not embrace Fox's ambitious deadline.

The public challenge stunned U.S. officials who have been trying to lower expectations for a deal on the complex and politically risky issue that could legalize millions of undocumented Mexicans. Even some Mexican officials said they had no notice that Fox would push for quick action.

The two-day state visit, an important political event to both Bush and Fox, began promptly at 9:30 a.m. EDT when a military band struck up a Sousa march and the two presidents strolled shoulder to shoulder onto the White House back lawn. Military honor guards stood stone-faced as their battle ribbons, jostled atop flag poles by a cool wind, whipped at their faces.

Bush, hoping to court Hispanic voters for his 2004 re-election bid, said Wednesday's formal welcoming ceremony, one-on-one Oval Office session, rare joint Cabinet meeting and state dinner - along with his and Fox's joint trip Thursday to Ohio - amounted to a ``recognition that the United States has no more important relationship in the world.''

With all the pageantry a president can muster, Bush welcomed Fox to what he called the ``Casa Blanca'' and said, ``We understand that our two nations must work together in a spirit of respect and common purpose to seize opportunities and tackle challenges on the issues that affect the lives of our citizens, including migration, the environment, drugs, crime, corruption and education.''

That included just a glancing reference to the issue that dominates U.S.-Mexican relations: What should be done with the 3 million or so illegal Mexican immigrants who want legal status in America, and millions more in Mexico who want to cross the 2,000-mile border? The president wants an undetermined number of illegal immigrants to become legal.

A joint statement being released Thursday as Bush and Fox tour a Hispanic community center in Toledo, Ohio, commits the pair to forging a ``realistic approach to migration'' that respects ``the human dignity of all migrants, regardless of their (legal) status.''

With a dozen anti-immigration protesters outside the White House gates, Bush and first lady Laura Bush threw Fox an intimate state dinner with an extraordinary finale of fireworks on the South Lawn.

Raising a glass of 7-Up, the teetotaling Bush toasted Fox ``friend to friend, partner to partner, neighbor to neighbor.'' Fox returned the compliment, calling Bush ``Jorge'' and someone he trusts to take action on the immigration problem.

Bush's trip to Mexico in February raised hopes in both countries that an agreement would come quickly, but the leaders have sounded more cautious in recent weeks as congressional conservatives raised objections.

On the eve of their meetings, Bush said the complexity of the issue bars a quick deal and acknowledged that he has ``a lot more selling to do'' in Congress. Fox said Sunday it would take four to six years to complete a comprehensive U.S.-Mexican immigration overhaul.

Flanked by Bush in front of the Truman Balcony, Fox seemed to set a more aggressive timetable.

``We must and we can reach an agreement on migration before the end of this very year which will allow us, before the end of our respective terms, to make sure that there are no Mexicans who have not entered this country legally in the United States and that those Mexicans who have come into the country do so with the proper documents,'' said Fox. His term ends in 2006.

Fox appeared to be calling for an agreement that would be ready for consideration by the respective legislatures of the two countries before the end of the year. But U.S. officials have said that details such as timetables and the numbers of Mexicans who would be eligible have not yet been broached.

Fox believes Mexicans in the United States are not being treated fairly. He says U.S laws should be amended so that migrants receive health, education and labor rights and can work without fear of deportation.

Several administration officials said afterward they would have preferred to avoid the added pressure of a public deadline. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it is impossible to predict whether a comprehensive agreement can be reached this year, given the unease in Congress and fluidity of the talks.

Bush, asked whether he thought Fox's timetable was too ambitious, pretended not to understand the question and joked in Spanish, ``I can't hear.''

His national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), said it would be nice to reach an agreement by year's end, but cautioned, ``The president shares the desire to do it quickly, but to get it right.'' Bush and Fox will release broad outlines of their immigration goals while touring a Hispanic community center in Toledo on Thursday.

Prodding Bush, House Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said he hopes to pass a bill during Fox's visit that would extend by a year the deadline for illegal immigrants to apply for visas.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., chairman of the congressional immigration reform caucus, said the prospects are not good for congressional approval of legislation that would legalize undocumented Mexican aliens.

People should not be rewarded who ``forget about American law, sneak into the country and avoid detection,'' he said.

Bush has acknowledged such concerns, but nonetheless says it would be in the nation's interest to match hardworking Mexicans with American employers.

Fox's remarks reflected the political pressures he faces at home to strike an agreement with Bush. He hopes to quiet critics in Mexico who say he promised much during his landmark election campaign and has delivered little.


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To: L.N. Smithee
"Dueling Gringos"?
81 posted on 09/06/2001 2:44:34 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Vorpal Blade
What the hell is it with you and knee-pad?! You sound like a pro knee pad user! GET A GRIP!
82 posted on 09/06/2001 2:44:36 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: KirklandJunction
I've been in those real bars. They're not mythical. Not at those prices.

So? Can you reply to what I wrote? Does my argument revolves around whether there are Irish bars with illegals?

I've talked to border-crossers. I speak enough Mexican to know when I'm talking to somebody from somewhere else.

What kind of language Mexican is? And what do you hear? That most border-crossers aren't from Mexico?

I guess your rudeness is typical of a mentally deranged commy. Aren't all Russians communists? Stalinist anti-christian pagan anti-Americans?

No. And I am not going to cry about racism if this is what you believe. And if you claim this is "per my example", show me where I am wrong about illegal Mexicans.

83 posted on 09/06/2001 2:45:13 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: Republic
I think I already have.

Sure you did. Where should I send the money?

84 posted on 09/06/2001 2:46:53 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: sarcasm
It was a ``boffo'' performance...

We're getting "boffed", all right...

85 posted on 09/06/2001 2:50:07 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: madrussian
Jorge is the spanish form for George, that's all.
87 posted on 09/06/2001 2:52:45 PM PDT by liliana
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To: Republic
Just recently in California, we've had demands from The Usual Suspects to extend total amnesty to people who have been here since the 1980s, for crying out loud. Sounds like there's a lot of aliens just itching to return to Mexico, doesn't it?


Build your Berlin wall (Mexican Wall), if you must because sharing the bounty, the jobs as it were, worries you.

I don't share - or play nice - with thieves.

88 posted on 09/06/2001 2:53:13 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: RoseofTexas
Wake up and smell the tacos. Read the Washington Times article on illegal immigration. They are sucking the blood out of our country. Illegal immigration is a felony. What don't you understand about the term felony?
90 posted on 09/06/2001 2:56:19 PM PDT by doc
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To: skeeter
I've seen it here before but:

George Bush is so pro Mexico that if you hit him with a stick, prizes would fall out.
91 posted on 09/06/2001 2:56:48 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Mercuria
I don't share - or play nice - with thieves.

Tell it to your priest.

92 posted on 09/06/2001 2:56:59 PM PDT by Republic
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To: madrussian
Calling Bush "Jorge" is an insult, however.

You're full of it. Jorge and George are the same thing! It's his first name! Get it?

93 posted on 09/06/2001 2:57:13 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: Vorpal Blade
1% Oligarchs and 99% Peones--the same social structure the Globalists mean to impose on America.

Of course, they can't dump ALL the peones on us...who'd do THEIR laundry and lawns and take care of their kids?

The ugly truth of the matter is this: some peones are considered "better" than others by the elitist Fox and his crew of Marxist cronies, and they'd better start taking the plank of bigotry out of their own eyes before they start messin' with tweezers to remove the supposed sliver in ours...

94 posted on 09/06/2001 2:57:24 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Republic
There will never be a real middle class in Mexico or any other Third World country.

The same thing was said about the early settlers in America as the rich landlords...

I'd love to see your sources for this.

95 posted on 09/06/2001 2:58:41 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
And there is oil in their country and no environmentalist wackos. Hasta la vista!

Now, CLEARLY that's ONE thing we NEED to export a lot of, ECO-WACKOS!
96 posted on 09/06/2001 2:58:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: madrussian
"Arbusto" is spanish for Bush (literally speaking, of course). El Presidente Jorge W. Arbusto!

(Interestingly enough, GWB's company was called Arbusto.)

97 posted on 09/06/2001 2:59:48 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: Notforprophet
Dudes, calm down - "Jorge" is Spanish for George.

It seems that you shouldn't have needed to say that...but, you did.

Thanks for demonstrating how stupid this thread is.

98 posted on 09/06/2001 3:01:52 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: Black Agnes
George Bush is so pro Mexico that if you hit him with a stick, prizes would fall out.

Oh my gosh...LOL!!!!

99 posted on 09/06/2001 3:02:02 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Republic
I would probably do the same thing mexicans are doing but the US cannot absorb all these third world immigrants without lowering its standard of living. How about all those people in favor of amnesty paying an amnesty tax for the net cost of illegal immigrants who are in this country.
100 posted on 09/06/2001 3:02:17 PM PDT by doc
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