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Determining the current winners and losers in any type of competition or conflict- a war, boxing match, even a game of football - is easy. The winner has the initiative, while the loser spends time and energy responding to that initiaive. The winner keeps the opponant "on the x" while the loser tries to figure out how to get off it.

Anyone following the Ukraine debacle has never, even once, seen anything from its proponants resembling a plan or endgame. Nothing but reactions and responses, all of which have ended in failure.

They send F-16s despite the recipient not having the replacement parts, maintenance assets or even pilots capable of flying them. We send Bradleys, Mauders and M1s, that get destroyed by drones or smoked in railyards before ever seeing battle. Western pols media barely mentioned the multinational gaggle of NATO military and intel VIP "analysts" who were targeted and neutralized in a group planning meeting. All dead. We send heaps of borrowed cash, our children's money, only to see it evaporate or get embezzled by corrupt-o-crats now running out of the country.

Stomping one's feet demanding the evil Russians leave their new borders isn't a strategy. Shipping the latest stockpile of NATO gear and ammo - epecially when Ukraine military had always trained and centered around Soviet standard - is not a plan. Throwing budget busting piles of money, tech and gear at a problem worked, only at first, with Mideast sand-apes... until it didn't. It's not, however, an end game. It's demonstrable failure.

If our pro-war pols, neocons and clownass media took just a mintute away from their echo chamber, many Russian military higher ups and insiders have proclaimed the quiet part out loud - one componant of the Russian strategy, a side benefit, is draining the west of resources, wealth and gear.

It's working.

1 posted on 12/07/2025 4:37:37 AM PST by AAABEST
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2 posted on 12/07/2025 4:44:09 AM PST by AAABEST (That time Washington DC became a corrupted, existential threat to us all...)
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Good post. More and more it appears that the Ukraine War hawks are playing for a "decent interval" between the inevitable withdrawal of Western money and support, and the collapse of the Zelensky regime and its concessions to end the conflict.

It's certainly not about any strategic vision or substantive plans for resolution. It's all about timing and politics. And they're more than willing to fight to the last Ukrainian to have their "pro-democracy" fig leaf.

3 posted on 12/07/2025 6:04:07 AM PST by hcmama
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Russian strategy, a side benefit, is draining the west of resources, wealth and gear.

LOL, old weapons are sent to Ukraine and result in one million Russian casualties and this is somehow a brilliant Russian strategy?

Western countries like Poland who sent Ukraine old tanks, is re-arming with modern tanks.

Poland Becomes a Defense Colossus

The country plans to double its land forces to 300,000. Huge purchases from abroad include 366 Abrams tanks and 96 Apache helicopters from the United States; 980 K2 tanks and 648 self-propelled howitzers from South Korea; hundreds of US HIMARS rocket launchers; many more Patriot air defense systems; 22 UK-made air defense batteries and three UK-designed frigates; as well as 48 South Korean FA-50 combat aircraft from and 32 US F-35 aircraft, complementing its existing fleet of 48 F-16s.

Meanwhile, it has made very significant arms transfers to Ukraine, including MiG-29 jets, modernized T-72 tanks, and Krab 155-mm self-propelled howitzers.

https://cepa.org/article/poland-becomes-a-defense-colossus/

6 posted on 12/07/2025 7:51:38 AM PST by tlozo (“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth,” Trump)
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Can the EU shoulder the burden of war indefinitely,

Who's shouldering the burden?

7 posted on 12/07/2025 8:27:08 AM PST by libertylover (The HBM (Has Been Media) is almost all AGENDA-DRIVEN and HATE-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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With “friends” like Europe, Ukraine doesn’t need enemies, but sure works hard to get ‘em!


9 posted on 12/07/2025 11:42:58 AM PST by Navy Patriot (President Trump Decisively Won, Celebrate Recivilization!)
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“The winner has the initiative”

4 years of endless victories. Global homo on the ropes.


11 posted on 12/07/2025 11:58:39 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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