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What an Acceptable Russia-Ukraine Deal Might Look Like
National Review ^ | August 13, 2025 | The Editors

Posted on 08/13/2025 12:40:15 PM PDT by karpov

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1 posted on 08/13/2025 12:40:15 PM PDT by karpov
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To: karpov

Who are these “editors” and why do we care what they think is acceptable?


2 posted on 08/13/2025 12:43:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: karpov

Public editorial masturbation is unbecoming of The National Review.


3 posted on 08/13/2025 12:48:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: karpov

Maybe we can get them to throw Hunter Biden’s old job back in on a deal.


4 posted on 08/13/2025 12:56:56 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” -Matthew 5:9)
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To: karpov
That will mean reiterating Western support for Ukraine and stipulating that the U.S. will participate in that effort, even as Western Europe assumes — as it must — a greater share of responsibility for helping Ukraine out.

What part of 'no' don't these people understand?! Hegseth, Vance and Trump have all said 'no' but NATO's plans require the US to provide security guarantees for Ukraine, so that when NATO/Ukraine stage a false flag or provoke Putin, the US HAS TO FIGHT RUSSIA. No. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. When will they accept reality?


5 posted on 08/13/2025 1:03:37 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: BenLurkin

“ Who are these “editors” and why do we care what they think is acceptable?”

“ In 2022, after eight years of intermittent fighting in Ukraine’s east, Russia initiated a full-scale invasion, with the aim of reducing a rump Ukraine to a satrapy”

That has George Will’s name written all over it.


6 posted on 08/13/2025 1:12:26 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (TDS much?)
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To: karpov

any peace deal between Ukraine and Russia would have to include the removal of Zelensky and his band of Obama/Hillary installed mob bosses ( remember not to fire the prosecutor this time if you want peace )


7 posted on 08/13/2025 1:19:19 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: BenLurkin
I've been reading the staff list of National Review. Some of the staff are associated with left wing publications (WashingtonPost and Mediaite etc.). There are several kinds of editors listed - perhaps only a handful of those are senior enough to count as 'The Editors' attribution? The article is not written from a conservative standpoint, as it encourages continued participation of the Unite States to police Ukraine.

Judson Berger

Judson Berger is the managing editor of National Review Online.

Mark Antonio Wright

Mark Antonio Wright is the executive editor of National Review.

Luther Ray Abel

Luther Ray Abel is the Nights & Weekends Editor for National Review. A veteran of the U.S. Navy, Luther is a proud native of Sheboygan, Wis.

Robert VerBruggen

Robert VerBruggen is a contributing editor for National Review and a fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

Philip Klein

Philip Klein is the editor of National Review Online.

David Pryce-Jones

David Pryce-Jones is a British author and commentator and a senior editor of National Review.

Ramesh Ponnuru

Ramesh Ponnuru is the editor of National Review, a columnist for the Washington Post, and a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

Rich Lowry

Rich Lowry is the editor in chief of National Review.

Richard Brookhiser

Historian Richard Brookhiser is a senior editor of National Review and a senior fellow at the National Review Institute.

Andrew C. McCarthy

Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at National Review Institute, an NR contributing editor, and author of Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency.

Ross Douthat

Ross Douthat is a National Review contributing editor.

Charles C. W. Cooke

Charles C. W. Cooke is a senior editor at National Review and the host of The Charles C. W. Cooke Podcast.

Shannen W. Coffin

Shannen W. Coffin, a contributing editor to National Review, practices appellate law in Washington, D.C.

Jack Butler

Jack Butler is submissions editor at National Review Online, a 2023–2024 Leonine Fellow, and a 2022–2023 Robert Novak Journalism Fellow at the Fund for American Studies.


8 posted on 08/13/2025 1:20:56 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Who are these “editors” and why do we care what they think is acceptable?”

Who are you, and why should anyone care what you think either?

Everyone has opinions. Whether those opinions have any value is dependent upon what they say, and what arguments they make, not whose opinion it is.

9 posted on 08/13/2025 1:32:40 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: karpov
Ukraine is not going to join NATO in the foreseeable future, and there is no point in pretending otherwise.

That's a surrender to Russia. Russia should in no way, have a say in what Ukraine wants. Ukraine has a right to decide on its own whether to join NATO, now or in the future. Russia should not have a veto on anything that Ukraine decided. And even if NATO is not totally agreeable on Ukraine joining NATO, it's not up to them if Ukraine makes its intentions known. Maybe not accept Ukraine immediately, but keep it on the table for later consideration. But, NATO membership must happen at some point. It's the only known deterrence against Russian aggression in the region.
10 posted on 08/13/2025 1:48:08 PM PDT by adorno ( )
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To: karpov

Never Trumpers at the National Review have no credibility.


11 posted on 08/13/2025 1:48:51 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: ransomnote
--- "The article is not written from a conservative standpoint, as it encourages continued participation of the Unite States to police Ukraine."

The National Review is as conservative as Obama. Remember this?

Barack Obama, conservative Washington Post, 22 November 2019
The whole game of the non-US NATO types is to corral President Trump into promising that "policing." And this nation paying the lion's share for it.
12 posted on 08/13/2025 1:51:54 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Ukraine declares itself neutral re organizes its armed forces along Swiss military lines & arms itself to the teeth


13 posted on 08/13/2025 1:52:37 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (Treason is the reason for Democrat Sedition & subvertion )
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To: BenLurkin
Who are these “editors” and why do we care what they think is acceptable?

You could say the same thing about me and you and anybody else with an opinion on the Ukraine issue. Who the heck are we and why should anything we say or think matter? Unfortunately for many, what the editors and writers of media sources have to say, is broadcast widely and people tend to listen and sometimes take their views seriously.

In fact, we are commenting on the article, so, it seems that we care in some way about what they have to say.
14 posted on 08/13/2025 1:53:09 PM PDT by adorno ( )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Ukraine declares itself neutral re organizes its armed forces along Swiss military lines & arms itself to the teeth


15 posted on 08/13/2025 1:55:28 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (Treason is the reason for Democrat Sedition & subvertion )
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To: adorno

Yes. Our voices will be silenced and our opinions crushed sooner or later.


16 posted on 08/13/2025 1:58:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: karpov

“In 2022, after eight years of intermittent fighting in Ukraine’s east, Russia initiated a full-scale invasion, with the aim of reducing a rump Ukraine to a satrapy”

Well, since Russia never mobilized or launched a “ full scale invasion” of Ukraine, no need to read beyond the first sentence about what these geniuses think the Russians are going to do.

But hey I Iearned a new scrabble word…satrapy!


17 posted on 08/13/2025 2:17:49 PM PDT by silverleaf (M:“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin; EQAndyBuzz
Everyone has opinions. Whether those opinions have any value is dependent upon what they say, and what arguments they make, not whose opinion it is.

Opinions are like National ReSpew editors - everyone has one.

18 posted on 08/13/2025 2:27:24 PM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: BenLurkin
Yes. Our voices will be silenced and our opinions crushed sooner or later.

Okay, but remember, what you or I say or think, doesn't matter, and if we are silenced or have our opinions crushed, it means that we did matter.

Kamala says that, we matter because somebody thought us useful enough to matter and if we matter, others will think we matter, even if we think we don't matter, even as we believe we don't matter, which is all about whether we matter or not, so the matter is settled.
19 posted on 08/13/2025 2:47:51 PM PDT by adorno ( )
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They start off with a bad premise and run with it. Ukraine is losing the war. Like every other country that doesn’t want to be completely beaten, you make a deal and manage the loss as best you can.

Trying to dictate the terms when you got nothing to bargain with is stupid and expecting other countries to continue to fund your losing war on their dime is also stupid.

People pushing the idea that Ukraine can win if we just give them billions more in aid won’t be happy till all of the west is broke and all the Ukrainians are dead.

Stopping the war with some land lost is better than continuing to let your people, mostly men get killed off.

Paraguay had a meglomanic leader who continued to fight on in the War of the Triple Alliance convinced he could win also. 90% of all the men in the country died. Is this what Zelensky wants? Is this what the warpigs, neo-cons, and other uke supporters want?

Without other countries troops, this is what they can expect if they continue a war of attrition. Russia has too many more people than Ukraine. This is a fact that they seem to ignore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War


20 posted on 08/13/2025 3:01:30 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pureblood! No clot shot for me!)
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