Posted on 11/21/2024 6:00:12 PM PST by hardspunned
All the Ukes had to do was to abide by the negotiated Istanbul peace accords and Ukraine would have gotten everything but Crimea back. Nope, the Ukes continued the war and have suffered accordingly.
Putin will stop today with what he has and a neutral Ukraine. Nope, DC doubles down again and by doing so doubles down on Uke territorial losses.
That third part is going to get messy. After Russia has done all the heavy lifting, the NATO fratricidal allied jackals to the west of current Ukraine have many old scores to settle with the Ukes.
Good luck selling all that nonsense to Trump, Rooski.
>> Nope, the Ukes continued the war
ukes — an alias for NATO & NGOs
Trump is not going to go for that. He’ll give Ukraine more weapons, even long-range missiles until Putin is ready to negotiate.
Here’s my alternative plan.
Putin takes his wanna be commie butt out of Ukraine, and then pays Ukraine reparations for all the damage it has done.
Good news finally. Ukraine belongs in the bosom of Mother Russia.
It’ll be a done deal BEFORE 1/20/25. You think Trump will start WWIII to retake the Russian city of Odessa just to give it back to Blackrock? Maybe you and your fellow travelers think that might be a good idea but Trump and our fellow travelers don’t.
Where are you getting these Russian propaganda talking points? Putin has been trying his best to take Ukrainian territory. The story of Ukraine killing ethnic Russians is pure myth. Ukraine passed the law required by Minsk that would have given autonomy to Donbas and was in the process of conducting the required referendum. It was Russia who violated Minsk by not withdrawing its forces, by not handing over the border to Ukraine, and by blocking Ukraine's referendum, all required by Minsk.
All the Ukes had to do was to abide by the negotiated Istanbul peace accords and Ukraine would have gotten everything but Crimea back.
There was no negotiated agreement at Istanbul, Russia's demands were too high. Nor had Russia agreed to withdraw from the territory that it occupied.
Putin will stop today with what he has and a neutral Ukraine.
Putin rejected this proposal by Turkey. Putin has publicly declared that he will start negotiations only after Ukraine withdraws from the rest of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzia.
And it is that attitude, not NATO membership or any the host of other rationalizations that Russia has given, which is driving this war. Unfortunately for Russia and its fanboys, Ukrainians are no longer willing to be under Russian subjugation. Even if Putin could force this ridiculous dream scenario, all it would do would be to give Russia an unending guerrilla war that would bleed Russia dry. The days of the Russian Empire are over.
Sorry, but isn't it an axiom, rather than an attitude?
As a bystander who has observed many of Mr. Trump's actions over the years, and who has also observed many of you're posts here, I will simply say that Mr. Trump does not appear to depend on "SLAVA UKRAINI!!!" for his personal identity and sense of self-esteem, to the extent that you apparently do. He may therefore conduct negotiations a bit differently than you might...
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Headline is confusing. Although the underlying story is dumb.
Russia creates plan for division of Ukraine and may offer it to USA - Media
First read it looks like that Russia would give The Ukraine to the US. It is just some plan they are going to give to the US. Not sure why they would single out the US for reception of their plan.
I bet Trump and Putin are already communicating. And despite all the silly talk they will make the decisions. NATO without the USA isn’t ready for war and isn’t a player.
NATO expansion is non-negotiable.
The Russian ruble is collapsing in value, no longer worth even a penny, and still dropping. It has lost 2/3rds of its value in only two years.
The Russian Central Bank Chief reported to the Duma this week that they are out of resources.
The old Soviet Arsenal is nearing complete exhaustion.
Russia’s largest refineries are having to shut down, as Russian oil industry revenues have continued dropping significantly five months in a row.
Putin has scuttled Russia beyond repair. They need a bailout, and China is not going to do it, while they have problems of their own.
The jig is up.
Unfortunately, the Ukrainians do not share your view and have shown that they will fight for their independence from Russia. Do you really support the subjugation of the Ukrainian people by Russia?
Actually I doubt that for two reasons. The first is that he would not want to get tangled up with the charge of illegal negotiations. Second, I would think that he would want to hold his cards close to his vest until he has the power to enforce them.
One for you, nineteen for me.
Lennon-McCartney rule.
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