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Refrigerator chemical ban may chill N.Y. economy, stakeholders say
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| May 2, 2024
| Raga Justin
Posted on 05/02/2024 4:37:07 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: George from New England
I think they’re straight up using propane or isobutane as refrigerant in new appliances.
To: Disambiguator
R12 and R22 are no longer in use.
R22 had very little flourocarbons in it.Not like R12.
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posted on
05/02/2024 5:43:10 PM PDT
by
skinny old man
(Still lurking and posting after all these years(27 yrs ?)(more ?)(seems like more...))
To: Disambiguator
R12 and R22 are no longer in use.
R22 had very little flourocarbons in it.Not like R12.
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posted on
05/02/2024 5:43:18 PM PDT
by
skinny old man
(Still lurking and posting after all these years(27 yrs ?)(more ?)(seems like more...))
To: NewHampshireDuo
Ozone is created by lightning strikes.
The hole in the ozone was over the south pole
Not to many lightning storms down there.
More BS from the climate club.
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posted on
05/02/2024 5:43:35 PM PDT
by
Keyhopper
(Indians had bad immigration laws)
To: lowbridge
No gas, no fridges, not enough electricity.
Eventually we will no longer be allowed to have personal kitchens.
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posted on
05/02/2024 5:55:40 PM PDT
by
BitWielder1
(I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
To: Christopher
Tell me you don’t really know much chemistry without saying it directly.
No. Just no.
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posted on
05/02/2024 6:01:11 PM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Islam delenda est)
To: gibsonguy
Don’t you know that all of these climate measures save consumers $1 per year! That will more than offset the $500 per year in additional cost that the new appliances will cost.
(Democrat math)
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posted on
05/02/2024 6:08:44 PM PDT
by
VeniVidiVici
(Guns don't kill people, Democrats do. )
To: PAR35
Is it R 22 or R 12?? From what I remember the original Freon was banned because your government said it thinned out the ozone layer. Now they say it does not, but it is too late. Dupont has configured their chemical plants to make what the government dictates.
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posted on
05/02/2024 6:16:40 PM PDT
by
mfish13
(Elections have Consequences.)
To: lowbridge
I have a refrigerator in my garage that dates from the 1950s. It has never had a freon recharge (unless it got one early in its life.) I have avoided needing about 7 new refrigerators, with all the attendant cost, use of fossil fuels and materials, transportation, etc. THAT’s how to save the planet — not crack down on one-time refrigerant use in well-made machines.
To: lowbridge
Killing us one bureaucratic msndate at a time.
And we let it happen.
To: lowbridge
Not a problem for New Yorkers. With all the lakes in upstate New York, they can cut ice during the winter, and store it under bales of straw in an ice cellar. Then a couple times every week the newcomers turned "ice men" can deliver the ice to consumers' ice boxes using their horse and wagon.
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posted on
05/02/2024 6:46:53 PM PDT
by
Governor Dinwiddie
(LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
To: George from New England
I’ve heard the new fangled coolant is flammable.It sure is; R290 is Propane. I've already gotten 2nd degree burns from working on a unit.
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posted on
05/02/2024 7:03:30 PM PDT
by
fedupjohn
(Waiting for Trump's new Caribbean Resort "Club Gitmo" to open for business! )
To: VeniVidiVici
Worst of all, the new refrigerants are highly flammable, dangerous substances. The new "eco" refrigerants were one of the contributing factors to the Grenfell Tower catastrophe.
In fact the Grenfell Tower inferno started because of a malfunctioning "eco" refrigerator primed with the new dangerous refrigerant. The refrigerator burst into flames, triggering the fire which caused 72 deaths and an untold number of injuries.
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posted on
05/02/2024 7:08:27 PM PDT
by
Governor Dinwiddie
(LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
To: BitWielder1
You will eaten your bugs cold and like it.
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posted on
05/02/2024 7:15:32 PM PDT
by
gunnut
To: BitWielder1
You will eat your bugs cold and like it.
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posted on
05/02/2024 7:15:43 PM PDT
by
gunnut
To: rottndog
I know a way to use much less refrigeration...food irradiation. That changes the chemical structure of the food, not always in ways that are palatable. And once an irradiated package is opened, it still needs refrigeration, just like canned food does once opened.
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posted on
05/02/2024 7:52:23 PM PDT
by
exDemMom
(Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
To: exDemMom
Yeah...once it’s open, if there are leftovers, it has to be refrigerated. But from the time it’s irradiated, during shipping and storage in stores or in homes, it does not need to be kept cold. That is a substantial reduction in refrigeration costs. Milk especially.
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posted on
05/02/2024 8:06:20 PM PDT
by
rottndog
(What comes after America?)
To: matt04
I might use a propane isobutane mix in all my old r12 cars.
If I did, I would say it works fine
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posted on
05/02/2024 8:13:38 PM PDT
by
algore
To: NewHampshireDuo
“Go back to freon?”
or ammonia, the original refrigerant ...
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posted on
05/02/2024 8:18:36 PM PDT
by
catnipman
(A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
To: mfish13
Conspiracy theory was that Freon was banned because all the patents had run out and the chemical companies needed new proprietary products. Of course, that’s hurt a bit by the fact that Freon had been on the market for decades by then. But I haven’t looked at various patents that might have been involved.
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posted on
05/02/2024 8:33:25 PM PDT
by
PAR35
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