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NATO and those in DC who are running this war knew this would be the result all along.

Because they see Ukraine as nothing more than fodder.

Welcome to the Big Suck.

1 posted on 06/17/2023 1:18:27 PM PDT by Mariner
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Good to see this war now starting to end its end-phase. It was a lot of fun, but hopefully now some ADULTS take over in the West, and, unlike the Neocons, are willing to talk to the ADULTS in Moscow.


2 posted on 06/17/2023 1:23:51 PM PDT by BobL
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The week-old, “massive” Ukrainian counter offensive has gained a few yards here and there with a lot of casualties and destroyed charity hardware. It sucks to be them.


3 posted on 06/17/2023 1:24:29 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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Because they see Ukraine as nothing more than fodder.

The issue was never Ukraine, but Russia. I remember when Western leftists sympathized with the Soviet Union, but now they see modern Russia as the reincarnation of 1950s America and must be destroyed at all costs. I will cut off my nose to spite your face.

4 posted on 06/17/2023 1:28:29 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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Ukraine has occasionally been sending small numbers of aircraft (both helicopters and fixed wing) to the vicinity of the front lines in the south and west. These forays to support their troops are shot down with some frequency so the forays are becoming less common.

Russian supporting aircraft are operating in these front areas with their losses being rare in recent months. It’s not “air supremacy” but close to it along the front.


5 posted on 06/17/2023 1:29:02 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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A comprehensive article on Ukraine’s failed strategy: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/06/on-the-failure-of-the-ukrainian-counterattack.html#more


7 posted on 06/17/2023 1:34:36 PM PDT by elpadre (nd )
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Both sides seem to say the Russian helicopters are having success flying against ground targets; Ukrainians having difficulty shooting them down.

And yet, U.S. Air Force leaders say A10s can't survive on a modern battlefield because of antiaircraft weapons.

If Russian helicopters can fly and fight successfully, why can't A10s - especially in areas where F22s and F35s have established air superiority?

9 posted on 06/17/2023 1:38:26 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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In before the “You’re a Putler” retards.


10 posted on 06/17/2023 1:38:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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.....”they see Ukraine as nothing more than fodder”.....

We said this would be so from the get go and it remains as so. Zelensky and his crew surely pulled the wool over many Ukrainian eyes - and they still are. Most understood Zelensky was nothing more than a tour guide and bag money man....and he’s proven he is so.


11 posted on 06/17/2023 1:41:31 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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Well, as long as it is 10% for the Big Guy, all is well.


19 posted on 06/17/2023 2:02:58 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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So much for the vaunted NATO AD - helicopters?@?!


20 posted on 06/17/2023 2:05:19 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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Berdiansk needs a missile strike.


22 posted on 06/17/2023 2:11:16 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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they are very formidible gunships


28 posted on 06/17/2023 2:22:40 PM PDT by mylife (I was a sort of country boy, a cockeyed optimist, wrapped in international intrigue and espionage)
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Weird how the gas station posing as a country has some pretty high tech weapons

Open up and have another spoonful of deep state propaganda


33 posted on 06/17/2023 2:54:40 PM PDT by PGR88
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35 posted on 06/17/2023 3:02:35 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Not only are every Ukrainian expendable, so is every American not part of the ruling NeoCon/Deep State “elite”.

Deployments will probably begin in the next 2-3 months. The draft will follow that.


37 posted on 06/17/2023 3:26:22 PM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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47 posted on 06/17/2023 5:08:09 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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