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Trump ties GOP in knots over Medicare and Social Security
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Posted on 03/02/2023 12:30:15 PM PST by GulliverSwift

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Some good comments by Josh Hawley and JD Vance. Blue collar conservatism is the only way Republicans can ever win elections again.

This billionaire servant crap with tax cut welfare needs to end. People paid into Social Security and are counting on it for their retirement. Republicans should go with Trump's lead and actually serve their voters rather than oligarchs.

There are so many people who HATE conventional Republicans but realized Trump wasn't like them. It's why he won.

1 posted on 03/02/2023 12:30:15 PM PST by GulliverSwift
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To: GulliverSwift

Ryan’s approach of cutting the entitlements was the wrong approach.

Trump’s approach of getting the economy firing on all cylinders so that we could afford to pay the entitlements was the right approach.


2 posted on 03/02/2023 12:33:10 PM PST by DannyTN
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Who is Politico kidding? The Republicans aren’t ever going to propose cutting entitlements even if Trump dies tomorrow. they gave up on that in the 1990s as political poison. Bush is the one who killed the drive to cut entitlment spending.


3 posted on 03/02/2023 12:37:16 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: GulliverSwift

Good for Trump. He isn’t a politician and shouldn’t act like one.


4 posted on 03/02/2023 12:39:22 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: GulliverSwift
There are many other government programs that should be cut long before they even *think* about touching Social Security.
Or course the Dems are clawing at programs that people care about, to scare the population into accepting tax increases.
That strategy is nothing new.

5 posted on 03/02/2023 12:42:17 PM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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I think now's a good time for Republicans to propose letting people opt out of the social insecurity ponzi scheme. We need to call it a ponzi scheme over and over because that's what it is. And instead of using phrases like "getting rid of" we should use phrases like "allowing people to escape" it.

That way the people who still want it will still have it, and the people who want out of it and keep more of their paychecks can do that too. And to the folks who say it'll make SS insolvent and needing bailed out, I say, are we really worried about that cost now? With as much as the government overspends on everything else, propping up the SS system is child's play and a lot better than keeping the Ponzi scheme always in growing larger mode.

6 posted on 03/02/2023 12:44:18 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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My view on this can be met be summarized in two points:

1. These entitlements are unsustainable in the long term and are a major contributor to the fiscal insolvency of this country.

2. Any political leader who proposes to cut these entitlements while supporting billions of dollars in open-ended military and financial commitments in corrupt dumps all over the world should be tossed out of office on his ass.

7 posted on 03/02/2023 12:45:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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Medicare is always a target, but MedicAID is on mega-spend and untouchable.


8 posted on 03/02/2023 12:54:10 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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Others say the GOP has changed for the better in the past 10 years


yes, the trend is starting but a long way to go.


9 posted on 03/02/2023 12:56:34 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: BitWielder1

Smart people know that Social Security and Medicare are destroying the country.

Wise people know that cutting them is impossible.

The GOP needs wise leaders not smart ones.


10 posted on 03/02/2023 12:57:20 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: DannyTN

You can never grow the economy faster than the growth of entitlements without cutting government. Even precovid trump was spending almost a trillion more than we brought in revenue. There is no going back now with a globalized world where companies and people can move to get what’s best in their interest. Just as people flee to other states, rats flee to other countries. Without cuts to entitlements there is not potential to stop the debt bombs. That’s just math.


11 posted on 03/02/2023 1:01:45 PM PST by Theoria
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Folks get old, and many very get sick.
That’s a certainty.

Many folks won’t have a big pile of money to take care of their basic needs like food and shelter, and medical expenses can instantly wipe out any life savings.

Because we can’t all get Goobermint Golden Sinecures, what do we do for our fellow Citizens?

Mortgage Interest is deductible, but principal residence rent isn’t? First $12,000 is not federally taxed, but it costs $20-$25K just to breathe? Medicare and Soc Sec are Evil Bloated Transfer payments with many getting less than $1K a month, but the War Pigs push $200 Bil to the Ukraine Mob, with 10% for the Big Guy. Local LEO’s retire with 10K a month public pensions (NY & NJ)? Some Teachers get public pension Lifetime Health Care (NJ)?

Why is it that Medical Professions can mandate/require 15 years of schooling, impoverishing students and making schools rich, but not require 5 years of Charity care, and Hospitals use that Teaching time to care for the poor?
Who is the highest paid State Employee? Often a Medical School Dean.

“Take care of each other” was a simple idea that a poor, persecuted Jew Carpenter had a long time ago.

It’s never too late to start again.


12 posted on 03/02/2023 1:02:03 PM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: GulliverSwift
Maybe because he is RIGHT.
13 posted on 03/02/2023 1:02:58 PM PST by montag813
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To: GulliverSwift

I do not think President Trump is driving a wedge in the Republican Party. I think the 2016 election exposed the wedge and we have seen the gap produced by that wedge grow over the past six and a quarter years.
I also think it is now irreparable, but we shall see in November 2024.


14 posted on 03/02/2023 1:04:01 PM PST by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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ARTICLE FROM POLITICO

I don’t think they have our best interests at heart.


15 posted on 03/02/2023 1:04:48 PM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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The original 1935 Social Security Act established in Law that if the social security trust fund runs dry and we hit Pay As You Go, Everyone takes a 20% Cut.

That is still the law. If Congress allows the trust fund to run dry, the Cut is Inevitable.


16 posted on 03/02/2023 1:05:08 PM PST by MMusson
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To: GulliverSwift

Folks,

Get the facts aT any cost. Do not read headlines and assume something.

Right now the calculations for highest return is approx 70 years.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/20/this-is-the-next-best-age-to-claim-social-security-benefitsif-you-cannot-wait-until-70.html

But full payment (what ever that is) in not 62 or 65. It may be 67.

You can take payment starting at 62 but it is at a discount.
You can take payments After age 67 but they might still increase up to age 70.

So bottom line, RETIREMENT AGE IS A SHINEY THING TO DISTRACT YOU.

AND IT WORKS.


17 posted on 03/02/2023 1:14:07 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: GulliverSwift

Exactly, your post nailed it.

If the republicans try to mess with social security or medicare then they are on a suicide mission.

They already spent 200 billion on this stupid war without blinking an eye.

Trump is on the right side of this issue.


18 posted on 03/02/2023 1:20:21 PM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

That’s quite an alternate history you’ve got going there. “Cuts” isn’t the correct term, but Ryan heavily pushed for entitlement reform which caused him to get into conflict with Trump, and Bush heavily pushed for such reforms as well - even going on countrywide tour to promote it - particularly Social Security reform to allow for private investment.


19 posted on 03/02/2023 1:40:41 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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“Social Security reform to allow for private investment.”

The problem with this is that most people are financially illiterate and what do you do when they blow most of their retirement on poor investments.

This is just a push by wall street firms to get more assets under management.


20 posted on 03/02/2023 1:45:14 PM PST by desertfreedom765
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