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Posted on 01/23/2023 3:57:43 AM PST by Timber Rattler
Poland's prime minister said on Monday his government would ask Germany for permission to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine, and planned to send them whether or not Berlin agreed.
Germany's foreign minister had said on Sunday that Berlin would not stand in the way if Poland wanted to do so.
The issue of supplying the German-made Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine has dominated recent discussions among Western allies about how much and what sort of material aid they should give Ukraine as the first anniversary of the Russian invasion nears.
The development comes as both sides are believed to be planning spring offensives to break deadlock in what has become a war of attrition in eastern and southern Ukraine.
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Must have gotten the OK from Germany. But it is still going to be three or four months before the crews manning these Leopard tanks are trained well enough to enter battle.
Poorly manned tanks are highly vulnerable. Plus setting up the logistics, away the most important part of utilizing tanks on the battlefield.
Wonder how the Leopards compare to the Abrams? I’ve read Abrams are a maintenance nightmare while Germans have a long reputation for building world class tanks.
German tanks have a horrible reputation for difficulty maintenance and poor reliability. This was the case with all of their WWII famous tanks. Even Guderian said the T-34 was the best in the war.
Think I’m wrong? Who in their right mind would buy a 25 year old German car without finding a good specialty mechanic?
It’ll be at least nice to see modern leopards in Russian museums beside the Tigers and panthers already there.
Wonder how the Leopards compare to the Abrams? I’ve read Abrams are a maintenance nightmare while Germans have a long reputation for building world class tanks.
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The US has built many thousands of ‘Abrams maintenance nightmare tanks’, while Germany has only built a few thousand ‘world class tanks’. One has been used extensively in combat, the other has only made ‘guest’ appearances.
Last I read, the Germans had fewer than 200 operational MBTs.
Oh, great. Just great!
Another wonder weapon like HIMARS and Javelins that is sure to stop the Ruskies.
NOT.
>>But it is still going to be three or four months before the crews manning these Leopard tanks are trained well enough to enter battle.
They’ll probably be crewed by Poles.
A side note to the news report. Why "signal" and then send? If Poland is going to send, why place the interim step -- "signal" -- in the whole event?
When the "send" is accomplished, then this will be a news report. As yet, the "send" is not verified. Waiting....
Its not WW2. The Leopard is considered a reliable tank, easy to maintain.
A comparison test was recently made in Poland in order to compare reliability of their Leopard 2A4 tanks with Polish PT-91 Twardy tanks (improved variant of the Soviet T-72). It appeared that tanks with similar mileage (19 000 km) showed different results. Distance between failures of the Leopard 2A4 tank was 174 km and it took on average 1.3 days to repair the tank. On the other hand distance between failures of the Polish PT-91 was only 25 km and it took on average 3.2 days to repair the tank. So despite its age the Leopard 2A4 can be seen as a rather reliable combat vehicle, that is easy to keep in operational order.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/leopard_2.htm
“It’s now up to Germany whether they want to join the mission to stop Russian barbarism, or choose to watch in silence and go down in history as those who were on the wrong side".
Yes, exactly. Same principle for the American and British tanks too.
>>Distance between failures of the Leopard 2A4 tank was 174 km and it took on average 1.3 days to repair the tank. On the other hand distance between failures of the Polish PT-91 was only 25 km and it took on average 3.2 days to repair the tank.
No wonder terrorists everywhere use the Toyota Hi-Lux.
Good news! Get Ukraine all the weapons they need to defeat putin/russia
May it be so!
What’s with this sudden attention to tanks? Is the belief that if Ukraine only had more/better tanks they could expel Russia from Ukraine entirely?
you forgot to say “it’s a game changer”
tim burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
We should round up a few hundred illegals from the border to drive the tanks for them.
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