Posted on 01/21/2023 9:34:21 PM PST by Nextrush
Welcome to the party, pal.
This conflict is designed to bleed the Western countries of weapons they cannot easily and quickly afford to replace by wasting them in Ukraine
China and whoever else wants to start a regional conflict while Western nations grind their military stores to dust is the big winner here
As such, this is very destabilizing to peaceful coexistence
The tanks and APC are for one thing. The Ukrainians believe that they will need them to regain their sovereign territory. Russia will not negotiate to leave Ukraine, has not and will not honor three prior treaties on Ukraine Russian borders. They will have to be forcibly evicted. They threaten nuclear war if they are invaded. I doubt Ukraine will cross beyond its borders, and I doubt they will stop fighting until they have regained them.
The Russians have a GDP similar to California. They have much old equipment, but they can’t supply supplies, uniforms, or even modern rifles to combatants anymore. This is a stupid war, wherein the prizes for all involved will be stupid. The best way to end it, is for everyone to return to their respective borders. Russian sovereignty and security is not at risk, because most of Europe won’t fund militaries and Americans grow weary of protecting them.
My guess is he is of the opinion that a case can be made that the west and Ukraine provoked the war but I’m guessing. I am not paying attention much to this due to the fact the corruption within the USA government, deep state and the west is the elephant no one wants to address. Not here at FR but in general in the real world.
Russian success will put Putin next to Poland, and after that its Germany. Poland warned about this for years.
Look at the map. Russia is already next to Poland. Plus its puppet Belarus gives them a very long indefensible border.
Just curious about something. How does all this military hardware get to Ukraine without Russia preventing it? Why would Russia allow arms intended to kill their own troops through? It would be like Israel letting Iran land at a port in Gaza and offload weapons intended for the PLO to use against Israeli citizens.
That’s why none of this makes sense to me. A simple, “If you are shipping arms to Ukraine, we will do everything in our power to prevent this from happening” statement from Russia would end this war tomorrow.
Do not take counsel of your fears........General George Patton
Thismay be news to you but the country has been going to hell since the 60s. Ukraine or no ukraine. And will continue, ukraine or no ukraine.
Why do we allow Iran to ship lots of drones to Russia to use against Ukraine?
Supposedly our admin is supporting Ukraine, yet we do nothing about Iran shipping weapons to Russia?
Mebe, if only, NATO had not embarked on a slow continous creep towards Russia’s border......
Mebe, if only, NATO had not embarked on a slow continous creep towards Russia’s border......
That game was awesome.
Keep banging your war drum and it will all get better.
Parts of the Ukraine were part of Russia for over 240 years. It is a Slavic Civil War we have no business being in.
That was a rant devoid of logic.
“Well I guess according to your logic Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenian shouldn’t exist as independent, free countries.”
Q: How many tanks did NATO send to Georgia during the Russian/Georgian war in 2008?
A: zero
Let these former Soviet states (Russia/Georgia, Russia/Ukraine, et al) settle their own boarder skirmishes, and let NATO stop playing World Police™️.
Ok noob. The Forever War nuts are all over this thread.
And if an Empire with 750 military bases worldwide was knocking at your door?
Europeans can twitter, whine, bitch, gripe, moan, offer excuses, debate and cry all they want but that won’t change a thing. They are going to have to FIGHT using their sons, NOT OURS, or Putin’s hordes will stick a bayonet up their behinds!
The only question is “Are there any “MEN” in Europe that WILL fight or are they all pussies and cry babies!!!? Some of us believe the latter.
NATO wasn’t creeping anywhere, the countries that escaped Russia try to join the defensive alliance, and now even Sweden and Finland are so shaken that they are trying to join NATO.
Russia does not run the world or Europe, and Ukraine shows what happens when you have no protection from Russia, that is why now, Moldova is considering trying to get into NATO.
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