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U.S. begins expanded training of Ukrainian forces for large-scale combat
The Washington Post ^ | January 15, 2023 | Dan Lamothe

Posted on 01/17/2023 6:27:46 AM PST by Timber Rattler

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To: odawg
Zelensky and Putin are cut from the same cloth.

Zelensky was a KGB officer and terrorist liaison?

21 posted on 01/17/2023 8:00:31 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: LS

Don’t worry, the US government will be sending US troops in behind our backs sooner or later.


22 posted on 01/17/2023 8:06:33 AM PST by dforest (Joy Behar is a big mouth cow.)
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To: rktman

The Ukraine is not a NATO member yet we have spent billions of dollar supporting them.


23 posted on 01/17/2023 8:07:46 AM PST by dvan (Send Them Home!Napolatono)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Zelensky was a KGB officer and terrorist liaison?”

Is that best reasoning power you have? All the murderous dictators in world history were never KGB officers nor terrorist liaisons, but they were still murderous dictators.

Even Putin has not outlawed the Orthodox Church.


24 posted on 01/17/2023 8:08:07 AM PST by odawg
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To: 4Runner
"Christian Russia"


25 posted on 01/17/2023 8:08:12 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: dvan

10% for the big guy...................


26 posted on 01/17/2023 8:10:41 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? πŸ˜•)
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To: JoSixChip

Die?

Obviously a number of Ukrainian servicemen will die. But it surely does appear that a LOT more Russian servicemen are dying.

Russia has been proven to be a paper tiger that would be uselessly inept were it not for the threat of their nuclear weaponry. Take the nuclear element out of it and Russia would be completely devasted by Poland alone.


27 posted on 01/17/2023 8:15:28 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: odawg

“Most of us wanting to see the war end is to stop the destruction and carnage, destruction and carnage that would have ended long ago if the Biden administration had stayed out of the conflict.”

It never would have started had Russia not invaded Ukraine. So, you sound like you are fine with the invasion, but get the vapors when the invaded defends itself. That’s good to know, if and when the US is ever invaded by a foreign belligerent army; as we will have a pretty good idea where you would stand.

“Pro-Russian scabs? Does your demand to have death and destruction for Russian soldiers strong enough for you to volunteer to go over there and kill some Russians on your own, or are you just satisfied to have other people get killed to make you boast about your anti-Russian sentiments.”

Oh, that old trope. In any event, this war will end today if Russia withdraws its forces back to Russia’s 2013 boundaries (remember, Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, and illegally annexed Crimea). I have been calling for that since the day of the invasion. So, who has the bloodlust? Me, who wants the bigger and stronger aggressor to go back home; or, you, who is peeved if the smaller and weaker victim of the invasion has the temerity to fight back against that aggressor? The answer is obvious.

“Zelensky and Putin are cut from the same cloth.”

Perhaps the same cloth, but different threads. I am not a Zelensky fan; but I support Ukraine defending itself in spite of who its president is. At least Zelensky has not invaded any neighboring countries, under ANY pretexts. But Putin has.


28 posted on 01/17/2023 8:21:08 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: dvan

“The Ukraine is not a NATO member yet we have spent billions of dollar supporting them.”

Afghanistan wasn’t a NATO member in the 1980s when the USSR invaded it and we sent Afghanistan billions of dollars in military aid. Ronald Reagan did that. Do you condemn Ronald Reagan for that?


29 posted on 01/17/2023 8:26:57 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: odawg

“Even Putin has not outlawed the Orthodox Church.”

Why would he? The ROC, which is controlled by the Russian state, is one of Putin’s biggest supporters!


30 posted on 01/17/2023 8:29:46 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Timber Rattler

The Ukies are learning how to wage war in ‘battlespaces’ as opposed to waging the more Soviet-style of unit-vs-unit warfare we’ve been seeing so far.

It looks to me like the Russians are going find out what it is to be on the receiving end of combined arms.


31 posted on 01/17/2023 8:38:50 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: odawg
Zelensky didn't outlaw the Orthodox Church either, just the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine, which amounted to just 4% of the church-going Ukrainian population and was a nest of spies and saboteurs.
32 posted on 01/17/2023 8:40:45 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: A strike; Timber Rattler

β€˜Can you say proxy? β€œ

Yes, this is a proxy war. In 2014 Russia attacked Ukraine because they didn’t want Ukraine to join the EU and NATO so from the very start this was a Russian proxy war against the EU and NATO.

Thus it is only fitting that NATO should help Ukraine defeat the Russians since Russia is by proxy waging war against NATO.


33 posted on 01/17/2023 8:41:39 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Timber Rattler

“...just the Russian Orthodox Church...”

But the worshipers are Ukrainians and, no, they were not spies. Ukrainians don’t like Russians.


34 posted on 01/17/2023 8:49:52 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg

“Ukrainians don’t like Russians.”

Gee, ya think? The Holodomor is seared into the Ukrainian collective conscience.


35 posted on 01/17/2023 8:57:26 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: odawg
The priests were the spies and answered directly to Patriarch Kiril in Moscow, who answers directly to Putin.

In fact, they're old KGB buddies.


36 posted on 01/17/2023 9:03:12 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: MeganC

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37 posted on 01/17/2023 9:05:15 AM PST by FtrPilot
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To: Timber Rattler

Milley will be sure the ukes are trained for the RIGHT pronouns!
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things must be very very bad for Z-ski given the recent amount of Zeeper propaganda!
things are bad for Z again today.
Wagner has captured the Sil railway station along with adjacent residential area.
Fighting continues at Salt Mine #7.
The Soledar mop up may take a few more days.
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If the attack on Krasna Gora captures high ground, m-03 road which brings supplies from Slavansk would be within artillery range..bakmut northwest encirclement advancing...
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Wagner advancing around Klesheevaka..High ground there would bring the supply road from Constantinovka in artillery range..Bakmut southwest encirclement advancing.
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I wouldn’t want to be in Bakmut.Biden don’t care about the last Ukrainian!

today’s update from Mil summary channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yPk1LJLEbU


38 posted on 01/17/2023 9:10:03 AM PST by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Timber Rattler

Ukraine’s best troops have already been fed to the meat grinder. Any that thinks the JV team with a few weeks training will fair any better is a fool. But, you are fool, Timber. You’ve proven that over and over again.


39 posted on 01/17/2023 9:10:56 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan
Ukraine’s best troops have already been fed to the meat grinder.

And you know this how? Because your Kremlin bosses say so?

40 posted on 01/17/2023 9:13:23 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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