Posted on 12/17/2022 2:33:53 PM PST by RandFan
Early in the pandemic, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis repeatedly praised President Donald Trump for the expedited development and rollout of a coronavirus vaccine. The governor’s office pushed for $480 million in pandemic resources, including media campaigns promoting the shots, according to state budget documents. And DeSantis, a Republican, even lauded the Biden administration for helping to expand access to vaccines.
“We’re having more vaccine because of this, which is great,” DeSantis said of a federal program shipping shots to pharmacies in February 2021.
But this past week, DeSantis threw himself into misleadingly disparaging the vaccines, convening skeptics to buck guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and seeking to investigate vaccine makers for fraud.
“These companies have made a fortune off this federal government imposing or at least attempting to impose mandates, and a lot of false statements,” DeSantis said at the roundtable event on Wednesday. “I think people want the truth and I think people want accountability, so you need to have a thorough investigation into what’s happened with these shots.”
A review of DeSantis’s public positions on the vaccines shows a full reversal that has unfolded gradually since 2021, seizing on the shots’ waning efficacy against new virus variants and portraying evolving scientific advice as deliberate deceit.
The hard-line position he’s now staking out is taking on additional significance: DeSantis is widely seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2024, with many Republicans wanting him to challenge Trump for the GOP nomination and some seeing vaccines as a potential wedge issue to outflank the former president to his right.
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Well, because enough evidence has come in. I love Trump & I will continue to support Trump, but he’s not looking at the evidence that keeps piling up that these shots are not “vaccines” at all. It’s an experiment upon the citizens of the world. It’s not Trump’s fault that these “vaccines” are so bad, it’s the fault of the developer’s and others who were pushing for a “vaccine” to exit the draconian lockdowns the so-called experts were insisting upon, and lying about their effectiveness, because they all were heavily invested in these pharma companies. They never followed the science, they followed China’s draconian policies, and were delighted to do so. They would love the power the CCP enjoys.
This isn’t a right versus left issue. It’s a science issue.
>> You want Trump to flip like DeSantis? And why didn’t DeSantis say this a year ago? How is it wonderful a year or so ago, but suddenly bad now? <<
DeSantis didn’t suddenly just now flip. Any implication by the Washington Post otherwise is nonsense. More than a year ago (November, 2021) he signed legislation into effect that prohibited mandatory vaccines in private-sector jobs and schools, following an executive order he issued in September, 2021. These actions were within days of Biden moves to impose mandates in general (November 4) and for federal contractors (September 9).
This isn't over. I Trust Trump, not you or DeSantis. I'm confident he will talk about it at a time of his choosing. Not on your schedule.
I agree; this topic is passè.
Those who haven’t taken the shot aren’t going to and those who lap up the government’s B.S. will keep rushing out and getting them as long as they are free.
I do notice FR’s shot peddlers are still at it, though.
to inoculate the elderly and immune compromised,” these are the people who should be the last to never use it. It only makes their immune system weaker.
There is never a proper time nor use for these killing vaccines.
My wife and I are in our 80's and after watching peers, relatives and people we knew, in the first year going to hospitals or Nursing Homes to die after receiving these killer drugs. She and I said no way and no boosters.
Recently, we both got a variant Covid, documented, after having Thanksgiving dinner with a relative.
We refused all types of suggested therapy, stayed home, drank a lot of fluids, took our baby aspirin, and I took my diuretic and my Eliquis.
Within 5-7 days after diagnosis, we were/are basically healthy.
Could you explain or provide a link showing Trump is not looking at and or is ignoring all the evidence that is piling up?
Trump never supported mandates so I’m not too impressed.
If I didn’t come to Freerepublic once in awhile to read the news I wouldn’t even know covid was still around.
Trump issued "lockdown guidelines" that he asked all Americans to follow. One of them was to end all discretionary travel. Was your trip discretionary, if you don't mind me asking? Merriam Webster defines that as "an individual choice" as in you weren't being directed by someone else, such as your employer. If it was discretionary travel, then you didn't see Trump's recommendations as sound, or you weren't aware of it at the time, then correct?
The mandate came from DeSantis, to quarantine for 14 days.
DeSantis was only trying to implement Trump's lockdown guidelines, which called for all Americans to avoid groups of larger than 10 people, which certainly happens at airports. So if DeSantis would have followed Trump's lockdown guidance exactly as requested, he would have shut the airports down completely, which he did not do.
From the research I just did, there were less than 5 states that DeSantis imposed any sort of incoming quarantine on, such as New York and New Jersey. Is that correct as well, based on your experience? And to summarize, you don't seem to think that Trump's guidelines, that DeSantis only partially implemented, were either sound at the time, or now based on further review?
I'm truly sorry to ask so many questions, but since Trump's lockdown guidelines were the root of all lockdowns being implemented, it's an interesting question to know why you weren't following them yourself, since you seem to be concerned that DeSantis was following them, if only partially himself.
My belief was they were just misguided guidelines at the time, and I was outspoken about it here at that very time. And I made a point to go out into public most every day in opposition, which I discussed here as well. I was upset with BOTH Trump and DeSantis at the time, but I realized that the lockdown guidelines originated with Trump/Pence/Fauci, first and foremost.
Thanks.
I always rely on the Post for information about Republican candidates.
Grampa Dave, I am so happy to hear you are doing so (relatively) well, despite just having Covid (again if I remember?). I have close friends in their 70's and 80's who did exactly as you, and are glad they did. Hope the good health of you and Gramma continue well into the future.
Trump has got every booster shot possible. He is a believer.
When the vaccine was the “miracle drug” everyone was demanding of Trump and the drug companies, there were many, many people praising it. It wasn’t until after the vaccine was starting to be widely distributed and millions got the shot that “problems” started popping up. And Trump never demanded people had to get the vaccine in order to work or go to school, IIRC.
So now you’re just waving away effectively protecting your state from mandates with breathtaking efficiency by pointing out that Trump did nothing?
Trump is trying to take credit for disastrously ineffective vaccines (he DOES deserve credit for there being vaccines), while at the same time not infuriating people who have been fired or even rendered unemployable by their objection to vaccines. The result is he thunders about how safe and effective they are (falsely), and then gives lip service to the right not to take them.
But what Trump doesn’t get: when vaccines are safe and effectiveness, it’s normal for them to be required. If he insists they’re safe and effective, he reduces opposition to seeming like a dysfunctional idosyncracy. What he SHOULD do is argue:
“I brought forth vaccines in a fraction of the time they said it would take. Because millions of people needed whatever safety they could be offered. But where are the safer, more effective vaccines? This is not the time to walk away and say, ‘mission accomplished.’ This is time to find the vaccines that are safe enough and effective enough for everyone to fearlessly, willingly take them, not to force people to vaccines that may or may not be the best for them. And for God’s sake, it’s obscene to make people who have already survived Covid to take vaccines.”
But where Trump picks and chooses issues well, he has never shown any ability to implement policy well. This just seems beyond him. He needs to step aside.
See my previous post, #78. Trump has not changed his position at all. That’s not entirely a virtue.
Exactly!
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