Posted on 12/15/2022 8:16:40 PM PST by bitt
“They wanted JFK out because he retracted the move into Viet Nam with one of his first executive orders.”
A ridiculous claim. There were 685 American advisors in RSVN when Eisenhower left office. Kennedy had ramped up American military presence in RSVN to nearly 17,000 by the time that he was killed 2 1/2 years later.
Kennedy approved the coup against Diem in order to get him out of the way and gain more control of RSVN. My father and another Colonel named George Patton IV were tasked with evaluating whether Vietnam was suitable for American ground combat forces while Kennedy was still alive. They said it wasn’t. Somebody should have paid attention.
There’s a number of us who share that sentiment.
Welcome home to you AGAIN too, bro, and thank you for your service as well. My son is carrying on the military tradition. He loves flying. I created a monster. From the time he was about 8 years old, I took him to the Air Force museum. After awhile, he told me he wanted to be an Air Force pilot. Guess what? Now, he is an Air Force pilot. 🤪🤗😆🤪
The ‘Tears of Autumn’ is fiction but makes an intresting case since almot national governments and former heads of state do have professional hit teams in the rolodexes. Certainly Madame Nhu did and the possible of her husband’s murder by American plotting had been discussed by that tough couple. Madame Nhu particularly hated Jackie Kennedy and made no bones of her pleasure over JFK’s murder and Jackie’s distress. (But there were some Americans such as my mother who felt the same way. To my granite hard momma, JFK and Co. had isulted the gods with their hubris and paid the price.)
The only conspiracy existed solely and entirely in the mind of one troubled and angry loner, Lee Harvey Oswald.
I recall several years ago someone here on FR posted a picture of a man that looked just like H.W. Bush standing behind a wall holding a gun (if I recall) when Jack Ruby was being brought up from the underground police parking garage and then shot and killed.
Dead people don’t talk.
There’s no doubt that Madame Nhu was a tough cookie. That theory makes more sense than any other one that I’ve ever heard. Personally I think Warren got it right but the Nhu theory is intriguing.
From this examination of JFK’s intentions on withdrawal, before his assassination:
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/galbraith-exit-strategy-vietnam/
“Before a large audience at the LBJ Library on May 1, 1995, McNamara restated his account of this meeting and stressed its importance. He confirmed that President Kennedy’s action had three elements: (1) complete withdrawal “by December 31, 1965,” (2) the first 1,000 out by the end of 1963, and (3) a public announcement, to set these decisions “in concrete,” which was made. McNamara also added the critical information that there exists a tape of this meeting, in the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston, to which he had access and on which his account is based.”
And,
“There followed, on October 4, a memorandum titled “South Vietnam Actions” from General Maxwell Taylor to his fellow Joint Chiefs of Staff, Generals May, Wheeler, Shoup, and Admiral McDonald, that reads:
“The program currently in progress to train Vietnamese forces will be reviewed and accelerated as necessary to insure that all essential functions visualized to be required for the projected operational environment, to include those now performed by U.S. military units and personnel, can be assumed properly by the Vietnamese by the end of calendar year 1965. All planning will be directed towards preparing RVN forces for the withdrawal of all U.S. special assistance units and personnel by the end of calendar year 1965.”
Mon was a toughie also. She took the day after FDR off to (in her words) fully enjoy that that evil communist loving bastard was really dead.
Lol. Your mom was alright.
McNamara was one of the most dishonest characters to ever serve in government so I’d want to see confirmation to back up anything he was saying. He and LBJ were kind of a matched set in that regard. McMasters “Dereliction of Duty” is a really good source for revealing the duplicity of those two using their own papers.
Like today we all know the players and we all know the truth
“George H W Bush was head of the CiA at that time.”
John F. Kennedy was killed November 22, 1963. George H. W. Bush was an oil executive in 1963, living in Houston. He was not Director of the CIA the day Kennedy was assassinated.
Bush was appointed head of the CIA by President Gerald Ford on January 30, 1976, over 12 years after the Kennedy assassination. He served as CIA director ten days short of a year, stepping down from the CIA role January 20, 1977 when Jimmy Carter became President.
The same could be said for Russiagate, Hunter Bidens laptop, election fraud, Twitter files, etc. A few years ago, I would have agreed with you, but now........
You believe Oswald was the lone gunmen?
That’s against the law, isn’t it? :)
And as to the Mafia theory? That's bs too. The Mafia would never have been able to handle the heat that would have come down on them. And the notion that it was revenge on JFK because his brother had taken on the Mob?
Why would you kill the brother of the man who is investigating you?
No. Oswald was a troubled and angry loner who wanted to be somebody.
Think of it this way: The Holocaust. History's most heinous crime committed by history's most heinous criminals, the Nazis, pug uglies in snappy uniforms. The mind can accept this. But the assassination of a popular, youthful and handsome president killed by a man so common, so low as to be invisible? The mind can't accept that so there has to be a vast and complex conspiracy.
By all accounts, Jack Ruby was a real nutcase, and usually go on to say absolutely the last guy in the world to be trusted for something really critically important.
Involved or not, he was a snake and arguably the worst president in modern history.
Bush was head of the CIA 10 years later after the assassination. George H.W. Bush served as Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) from January 1976 to January 1977
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