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Colorado Springs shooter’s non-binary claim won’t stop hate crime charges, legal experts say
Yahoo! News ^ | November 24, 2022 | By Namita Singh

Posted on 11/24/2022 6:51:56 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

The Colorado Springs shooting suspect’s gender identity will not stop the authorities from bringing in hate crime charges against them, legal experts claim.

… The suspect’s gender identity is “not relevant," Neama Rahmani, president of West Coast Trial Lawyers and a former federal prosecutor, told Insider. "Obviously the defense will want to get it in, but it’s not a defense."

"It’s certainly something that the defense would try to use, but it’s not in and of itself a bar from hate crime charges depending on what the other evidence is," Brian Levin, professor of criminal justice at California State University, San Bernardino, was quoted as saying by the Insider.

"The notion that because someone might belong to a group does not mean that some ... dispute revolving around that group membership or issue would negate hate crime charges," he added.

Meanwhile, the court has ordered that the suspect be held in custody without bail.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aldrich; clubq; culturewar; homosexualagenda; perverts
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1 posted on 11/24/2022 6:51:57 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Perhaps the “legal experts” could explain how Darrel Brooks, now convicted killer of six White people, escaped “hate crime” charges for something that was obviously motivated by hate.


2 posted on 11/24/2022 6:55:50 AM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As long as he’s white he’ll be charged with a “hate crime”. Maybe he should consider self-identifying as black.


3 posted on 11/24/2022 6:56:02 AM PST by euram
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“non-binary claim”

It doesn’t fit the Narrative, so they don’t take it seriously. It’s merely a “claim”. It’s a “ploy”. It’s something his lawyers dreamed up to avoid a Hate Crime charge in court, but it won’t work.

Everybody knows the guy was a right-wing MAGA supporter. That’s the ticket.


4 posted on 11/24/2022 6:56:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I read where the perp didn’t have much presence on social media. Unless he left some ‘manifesto’ looks like it’ll be hard to prove hate crimes. Five consecutive life sentences for murder plus add on time for assault would seem to do the trick regardless.


5 posted on 11/24/2022 6:56:23 AM PST by Roadrunner383 (;)
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Well, well, this opens up all sorts of new legal avenues. So, what they’re saying is that if one member of a particular group attacks other members of that group with hate in their hearts then they can be charged with a hate crime? And, since violent crimes against persons almost always involve some degree of hate, that would make them all hate crimes?


6 posted on 11/24/2022 6:56:50 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If the gender won’t fit you must acquit.

:-)


7 posted on 11/24/2022 6:58:15 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SuzyQue

I am still waiting for someone to define “love crimes”.


8 posted on 11/24/2022 6:59:18 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The charge of shooting people dead in a club should always be the primary charge. Something is wrong when the main concern is whether it is a “hate crime” or not.


9 posted on 11/24/2022 7:03:11 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (What was 35% of the Rep. Party is now 85%. And it’s too late to turn back—Mac Stipanovich )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Now all blacks who kill blacks can be charged with a hate crime. Any FR lawyers want to chime in on precedence being set here?


10 posted on 11/24/2022 7:03:32 AM PST by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Claim”? Stop the hate, Yahoo. It has no home here.


11 posted on 11/24/2022 7:04:04 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I would think 5 counts of 1st degree murder should suffice.


12 posted on 11/24/2022 7:04:44 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Does this mean he’ll be executed twice?


13 posted on 11/24/2022 7:06:26 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why on Earth would the shooter even care? Are they going to tack on a few extra years to his numerous life sentences if it’s a hate crime? Oh no...


14 posted on 11/24/2022 7:07:03 AM PST by Trump20162020
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Has a bio been published on this perp yet???

Where does he live, marital history, education, employment, etc??????


15 posted on 11/24/2022 7:07:37 AM PST by elpadre (W )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This man is one bizarre, deranged, perverted individual who is the product of decadence. America is far too tolerant of such perversion. The prosecutor in Colorado who decided not to prosecute him for his prior felonies bears much responsibility for these killings. This lunatic put society on ample notice that he was crazy and violent. People who are paid to enforce the law and protect society did nothing.


16 posted on 11/24/2022 7:11:09 AM PST by allendale
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To: cgbg

Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct?…


17 posted on 11/24/2022 7:11:24 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Levy78

Hate crimes are only for White Devils…


18 posted on 11/24/2022 7:12:29 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
But on appeal it probably *will* result in the “hate crime” convictions being overturned. Then the only question that remains is...does Colorado have the death penalty? IIRC is does because the prosecutor agreed not to seek it a few years ago with that guy who murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters.
19 posted on 11/24/2022 7:13:27 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (I Miss Jimmy Carter)
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To: Regulator
He killed white folks. That's the answer. We've been told crimes against whites cannot be hate crimes because whites are the majority population.

Twisted logic.

20 posted on 11/24/2022 7:13:42 AM PST by ealgeone
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