[G Larry]

You have completely missed my point.

The world is infatuated with the idea of defending Ukraine in a proxy war with Russia, and is pretending that success is defined as destroying Putin's conventional forces and munitions.

I submit that we should do everything possible to stop the war before it gets to that point.

I am NOT proposing caving to nuclear blackmail, nor naive enough to suppose the Russian elites (who have been dying quite frequently lately) have any influence over Putin's use of nukes.

Suggesting that Ukraine is a democracy worth defending, ignores their outlawing of the opposition party and media.

[canuck_conservative]

is pretending that success is defined as destroying Putin's conventional forces and munitions

nope, nobody ever said that

we just want Russia to go back to its own territory, then the war can end

[Justa]

“I submit that we should do everything possible to stop the war before it gets to that point.”

And what would be your advice on South Korea and Taiwan should their communist neighbors attack them?

Does your argument support or discourage armed invasion and conquest of countries?

Similarly, does supporting Ukraine not discourage the invasion and conquest of countries?

Much more at risk here than many realize.