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America's Four-Star Problem
The American Conservative ^ | October 29, 2022 | Douglas Macgregor, Joshua Whitehouse

Posted on 09/30/2022 7:25:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson

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To: Tupelo

Good summary and solution. Either you can fight or you are out. The Pentagon is filled with lard asses, faggots and woke pieces of excrement. It needs a major house cleaning.


21 posted on 09/30/2022 9:09:33 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist in )
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To: AndyJackson

1. Something in a science fiction story I read in my youth (by candle light) stuck with me. Aside from the space opera stuff it posited that there are two kinds of people: routineers (the maintainers in this article) and non-routineers (the revolutionaries and builders in this article) and you need both.

In short, routeeners keep things going on an even keel and are less likely to get dissatisfied or bored with the job but they aren’t necessarily adaptable to new situations. Non-routineers are adaptable and can implement change to fit the situation but they get bored and dissatisfied with routine and frankly, can be trouble makers when you need things to be on an even keel.

You need both kinds, but in the proper roll or in reserve.

2. In my association with the military, which is not recent, it occurred to me that the officer corp kept a certain number of “wild cards” (kind of like Patton) in reserve, to bring out in case of war or other need. Maybe they don’t do that now or maybe I was wrong.

3. We need to be careful about thinning things too much at the very top. I was taught that the reason they chose a Joint Staff in 1947 rather than a General Staff like the Germans had was that they didn’t want too much consolidation/monopoly of power in the military. They wanted some level of competition among the Services, and as supporters of Capitalism don’t we believe that competition is good? Ideally that would keep all the services from going down the same wrong path, which is an ideal that isn’t being met right now.


22 posted on 09/30/2022 9:53:19 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Basically it was the Navy who wanted no central control presuming the Army and the AF (which came from the Army) would just gang on them. True in my opinion.


23 posted on 09/30/2022 11:23:54 PM PDT by robowombat
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24 posted on 09/30/2022 11:26:03 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: Tupelo

Grant was an infantry officer, Mac was a engineer officer. Both served the whole Mexican War but the perspective of an infantry company commander and a tope engineers captain are way different. Lee was an engineer also but read how Scott utilized him gives insight to how he could rise without significant organizational support to lead a very hard hitting infantry army.


25 posted on 09/30/2022 11:29:47 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: AndyJackson

It is claimed there can be too many cooks in the kitchen;
a valid explanation as to why that fancy feast dinner was
spoiled and uneaten.

The same could be said of the USA and its military elites.
Should we be required to fight Russia, Russia, Russia,
on which side would we be placing our bets?
One Eisenhower = 3 woke men. An additional Patton replacing
the remaining.


26 posted on 10/01/2022 12:36:11 AM PDT by V K Lee (Our CONSTITUTION. Written with DIVINE assistance by very wise men. A document unlike any other.)
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To: AndyJackson
My conservative instincts initially put me in sympathy with the views of Colonel Macgregor and some of that sympathy remains and is invoked in this article but the Colonel's explicit, flagrant and nationwide misunderstanding of the combat situation in Ukraine must call into question his level of expertise.

He has been flatly wrong about Ukraine and he has been wrong on national television.

With respect to this article, he fails to comment on the profound changes worked in the American Armed Forces as a result of our misadventure in Vietnam and he fails to adequately consider the impact of technology since then.

This is a democracy and it is the function of democracy to quarrel and squabble over the allocation of resources. This applies to the allocation of resources for defense. If we are not quarreling and debating these issues, we are in danger of becoming victims of cronyism. Colonel Macgregor is wrong when he decries the very existence of contentiousness because it is debate that is essential to the process.


27 posted on 10/01/2022 1:05:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: Jim Noble

“Look at that loser with only one row of ribbons! And why is he wearing his stars in a circle?...” [Jim Noble, post 19]

The stars on Ike’s epaulets don’t form a circle, they form a pentagon. That’s the way insignia of rank were designed, for a General of the Army.

And it’s common for senior servicemembers to wear only the top row of authorized decorations. Senior officers frequently exercise wide latitude in the design and wear of their uniforms. Unsurprisingly, they can get away with more than can individuals serving in lower grades.

George S Patton Jr is remembered today because George C Scott portrayed him in a feature film. Authors Macgregor and Whitehouse have allowed the media to mislead them - a common failing among professional wordsmiths. And they pay too much attention to professional theorists like Alfred G Meyer. The editors at American Conservative have in turn been hoodwinked, into believing any of these have distilled any professional experience into foolproof universal “truths.”

Ike himself never expected to rise higher than O-5. And he never held a field command, nor fired a single shot in action.


28 posted on 10/01/2022 2:54:16 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: nathanbedford

“...Colonel Macgregor is wrong when he decries the very existence of contentiousness because it is debate that is essential to the process.” [nathanbedford, post 27]

You have hit on an important point. It’s better to have the high rankers squabble with each other than it is to afford them the leisure to oppress the citizenry.

Shelby Foote was onto something when he declared Nathan Bedford Forrest to be the ACW’s only authentic genius. Even more astonishing that Ken Burns failed to edit that out.


29 posted on 10/01/2022 3:14:16 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: Nifster
We’re screwed

I am so screwed.

30 posted on 10/01/2022 3:22:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: cranked

Also, reduce the amount of useless confetti they wear on their chests. Those uniforms are looking ridiculous.


31 posted on 10/01/2022 3:36:22 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Jim Noble

Yep. Look, at the US military of 75 years ago. A lot fewer ribbons and medals. Far fewer in the senior ranks and we actually won wars.

Now......


32 posted on 10/01/2022 4:34:58 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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Bump


33 posted on 10/01/2022 4:36:49 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: ConservativeInPA

Exactly. Anybody who is not directly enhancing warfighting capability needs to go.

I disagreed with a lot of what he did especially later on but Colin Powell said it right back in 1990. The military’s job is to kill people and break things.

It has no other purpose.

Anybody with “diversity”, “equity” or “inclusiveness” in their job title needs to go. All trannies need to go. All open Leftists need to go. Anybody whose job is in any way nation building needs to go. Physical fitness standards need to go right back up to where they were - if you can’t hack it, you’re out. The Pentagon needs to be forced to take back everybody they pushed out for refusing the Fauci Juice - at their former rank in their former MOS and to pay them back pay. Just shove it down their throats. Anybody who whines about that needs to go. Anybody who supported Milley’s mutiny needs to go (and then be prosecuted). Anybody who openly criticized President Trump needs to go. etc etc. THOUSANDS of Officers’ heads need to roll.


34 posted on 10/01/2022 4:41:05 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: schurmann

George S Patton Jr is remembered today because George C Scott portrayed him in a feature film.
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I read his biography

Patton rocked.

And monty’s
( closet Natzis sympathizer imho)

And Bradley’s
And Ikes
And MacArthur’s

And Churchill’s

I think patton should have had ikes job, war would have been shorter.


35 posted on 10/01/2022 5:16:19 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

If Patton instead of one was Supreme commander of allied forces.

Ussr would have been defeated next immediatly, one nuke.

CCP would never have never got a foothold or control China.

Korean war wouldn’t have happened
Viet Nam war wouldn’t have happened.

The world would have been a much better place..

George was murdered.

Imho
Ymmv


36 posted on 10/01/2022 5:21:55 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

If Patton instead of Ike was Supreme commander of allied forces.

Ussr would have been defeated next immediatly, one nuke.

CCP would never have never got a foothold or control China.

Korean war wouldn’t have happened
Viet Nam war wouldn’t have happened.

The world would have been a much better place..

George was murdered.

Imho
Ymmv


37 posted on 10/01/2022 5:23:07 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

Have you read or listened to VDH discuss generals?

You may enjoy.


38 posted on 10/01/2022 5:27:04 AM PDT by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives. Leftists are genocidal. )
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To: Chickensoup

Have you read or listened to VDH discuss generals?
/\

No,
wouldn’t know where to start, is there a book title you recommend ?

Did I come to some of the same conclusions as VDH ?


39 posted on 10/01/2022 5:35:25 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: schurmann
Ike himself never expected to rise higher than O-5. And he never held a field command, nor fired a single shot in action.

He might have seen some action in the Philippines under MacArthur. Ike big advantage is that he was trained by MacArthur. He spent almost his entire preWW2 career with the General. MacArthur had a keen eye for talent. So did Ike which is why Paton was not canned after many of his bone headed mistakes. Ike was a better president then he was a general. We sure could use him right about now.

40 posted on 10/01/2022 6:14:45 AM PDT by jpsb
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