Did Putin’s frogmen blow up Europe’s gas supplies? Western leaders blame ‘deliberate’ sabotage after Nordsteam pipe from Russia ruptured off Sweden

FOR MAILONLINE ^ | 27 September 2022 | By DAVID AVERRE and JAMIE PHILLIPS

[nathanbedford]

I have no dog in this fight either. I am simply responding to the bald assertions that Biden did this. Further, to respond to the equally dogmatic assertions that it makes no sense for Putin to have done it. I agree Biden could have done it but that's a long way from real evidence.

I've outlined some reasons for him to have done it. Aware that Biden made his remarks about destroying the pipeline, coupled with Victorian Newland' s statement, may have may led Putin to conclude that he could run a false flag and claim the Americans did it in the hope of breaking up the Western alliance which is very fragile. It is especially fragile in Germany and now Germany is facing a winter with pipeline gas coming only from Norway and perhaps some through Ukraine.

Putin's game plan might be to get to negotiations, stop fighting, keep pre-February 24 lands that he has grabbed, promise to repair the pipeline and always keep the gas flowing. This might be very enticing to Germany and France, for example, at least enough to force Ukraine into compliance by threatening to withdraw support. Putin will say peace on the one hand or nuclear war on the other and that will have real effect on the Germans.

On the other hand, it is equally likely that a third party or a rogue/terroristic party might have done this. The Ukrainians would certainly have a strong motive, Poland to a lesser extent and perhaps even discontented Russians who would like to end the war and depose Putin.

What does bother me is the idea that we are possessed of enough information to make dogmatic final judgments of guilt grounded in not much more than ideology. We simply don't know.

[Mariner]

Anti American, Ukraine First sycophants tend to piss me off.

Especially when they attack those who served honorably, in positions that mattered to the security of the nation .

You know, basely accusing them of being traitors.

Lower than whale shit.

[Magnatron]

They were biden’s frogmen.

It’s ludicrous to think otherwise, but our messaging is meant to confuse the gullible — which seems to be an ever-growing segment here and abroad.

There’s a very simple proof here:

If Putin wanted to blow up the pipeline to cut off supplies to Europe, why wouldn’t he have also blown up the European pipeline from Norway which happens to run literally right by his own…?

[PIF]

Too bad you have no clue what is going on - just knee jerk emotional reactions to support genocidal invaders, holding fake election to justify the use of tactical nukes.

Does NSA and ASA mean anything to you, as positions that mattered to the security of the nation? Been there, done that.

[Mariner]

NSA is an enemy of the American people.

The ONLY worthwhile thing they do is the development and distribution of crypto. And the penetration of enemy networks.

I know very well what is going on. And I laugh at those who view these events through a moral lens, as if it really matters.

And I know that those who put American interests above all else are happy to say the US has absolutely NO INTERESTS in Ukraine. None.

And any American that wants to be involved in that fight is anti American.

[PIF]

Clueless you are. Enough said.

[Mariner]

Dismiss an argument you can not refute.

[Hot Tabasco]

Why would they blow up their own pipeline when it’s reported it should be repaired within a week?

[Sirius Lee]

It’s totally plausible Russia did this and in fact typical of something KGB Vlad would try.

No it's not. That's like standing around scratching one's head saying, "Wow, something ate most of my hens. Must have been the rooster. Certainly couldn't be that fox who was hanging around the area and who promised he would eat the hens."

[PIF]

Take too much time there are enough time wasters on this site as it is.

[dennisw]

“Why would they blow up their own pipeline when it’s reported it should be repaired within a week?”

Lots longer than a week. A month or months to repair. Some say that due to saltwater intrusion, these pipelines cannot be repaired. Gas is still bubbling out of them, and for perhaps a few more weeks.

[Hot Tabasco]

They were biden’s frogmen.

Then they were the second string since it will be repaired within a week

[Hot Tabasco]

As another poster mentioned, they could have just turned off the gas

[Long Jon No Silver]

Well at least it is a neighbouring country. Rather than going half way around the world to stick their nose in it

[Cronos]

Travis McIvan before January’s trip to Moscow — written on 27th September 2022

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4096511/posts?page=24#24
“Now, who, pray tell, might want to forestall ANY opportunity for Europeans to reconsider their sanctions against Russia, as winter sets in, people freeze, and factories shut down, leading to mass unemployment, the worst economic depression in a century, and possibly mass riots that could overturn governments?”

Wrong again - and again and again

[dennisw]

Travis McPutin fantasies for a frozen winter Europe did not pan out.

You must realize that Travis and others have been traumatized by the specter of a haunting Globohomo and WEF. So they love Putin. Getting crappy myocarditis causing Covid injections. I am injection free too. But I keep matters in perspective.

So they lash out against Ukraine. That should get our help, 1000x more than Muslim Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, those wars were a waste. Travis and his FR crowd are now pacifists after Iraq and Afghanistan. And or Putin lovers.

[dennisw]

Last I saw this jamoke had a new youtube channel with 1000 views per effort. This channel was authored with someone Trav called brilliant.

Perhaps Trav can let us know where to find this new craptastic Vlad Putin thought outlet