Turkey issues direct warning to Russia as Erdogan orders Putin to return 'occupied' land

Daily Express ^ | 20th September 2022 | Paul Withers

[Boogieman]

Well, Hitler was very short sighted in general when it came to the Slavs. There were plenty that would gladly have backed Germany if it just meant fighting Bolsheviks, but by deciding that he was going to claim their lands for “Greater Germany” he kind of blew that strategy. And by half allying with the Soviets before he turned on them, I don’t think he gave any other potential allies much reason to trust him.

[dfwgator]

The alliance with the Soviets was a bet on Hitler’s side that France and England would back down, and Stalin’s bet that the Germans would be dragged down by war in the West.

Both lost. France and Britain held firm, and then France fell in six weeks, keeping the Germans strong enough to attack Russia, but only with America’s entry spoiling Hitler’s plans.

[TexasFreeper2009]

lol

even has stupid, weakened and hair-brained at Russia is they are still head and shoulders above Muslim Turkey

[dfwgator]

Ask Churchill about the Turks.

[TexasFreeper2009]

yep! and we only entered because of Japan attacking us at Pearl Harbor!

The American people wanted nothing to do with that war until then

[canuck_conservative]

but only with America’s entry spoiling Hitler’s plans

the turning point of the war for Germany ... and it didn't have to be that way

America was deliberately staying out of the European war at that stage

but Hitler had to go and declare war "in solidarity" with his great ally Japan

(which never did anything in return for Germany)

[dfwgator]

Hitler also thought by declaring war on the US, the Japs would help him against the Russians. The Japs were like, “We’re not that stupid!”

[dfwgator]

Especially after Zhukov punched the Japs in the nose in 1939.

[redgolum]

He did.

So did Stalin.

Till they... over did things.

[dfwgator]

Stalin convinced people that the Germans committed the atrocities at Katyn.

[Angelino97]

keeping the Germans strong enough to attack Russia, but only with America’s entry spoiling Hitler’s plans.

Even had the U.S. not entered the war, I'm pretty sure Germany would have failed to defeat Russia. Stalingrad was the turning point, not U.S. entry into the war.

The war might have dragged on longer, with more German and Russian casualties, but no American casualties.

[dfwgator]

I still believe taking Moscow would have been the end of Stalin.

[Don_Ret_USAF]

I believe that had the USA not lend-Lease the aid. Russia would have folded. Here is what we gave Russia.
Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today's currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”

400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food
Russia industry could not support the total war effort without the outside help.

[HKMk23]

If, in the middle of all this, Putin suffers a should-be-fatal event, but emerges alive from it — THEN we’ll KNOW.

[Jimmy Valentine]

It has been every Tsars dream since Peter the Great to take back Constantinople for the Christian west. Erdogan is playing with fire

[Seruzawa]

And that only because Hitler was stupid enough to declare war on the USA. There weren’t enough votes in Congress to declare war. It took the abysmally stupid Japanese to set it off by bombing Pearl Harbor.

[dfwgator]

I still would say it would have only been a matter of time, eventually a U-Boat would have sank another US ship, and there’s your Casus Belli.

[Eleutheria5]

I think Ukraine might have to say something about that, and Ukraine is now battle-hardened.

[Eleutheria5]

“The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.”

Hey! Only Israelis have to return land.

[Sam Gamgee]

I’d tell them the day they create a free Armenian state within their borders.