Navy expedites drone ships as it faces threat from China

https://www.newscentermaine.com/ ^ | July 29, 2022 | Author: DAVID SHARP Associated Press

[itsahoot]

It beats the hell out of just scrapping them and turning them into razor blades.

Weren't they made of aluminum?

[ought-six]

“Weren’t they made of aluminum?”

Yes, they were.

[BiteYourSelf]

So,where do the chips that run these drones coming from?🙄

[al baby]

Radio Shack?

[BiteYourSelf]

Good luck finding one of those.🙄

[MarMema]

I kinda liked how the early Americans handled things..

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/03/13/

https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/03/too-late-to-revive-a-sane-u-s-foreign-policy-the-roots-of-the-monroe-doctrine-revisited/

“Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humour or caprice?”
(George Washington)

“John Quincy Adams extended these ideas further still by drafting the Monroe Doctrine during his stint as Secretary of State from 1817-1825 which he knew could only work if America ventures “not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy”.

China doesn’t want war with us and has not invaded Taiwan.
We are the warmongering nation here, and we will lose. It remains to be soon how badly we will lose. Meanwhile we are hugely in debt and our GDP will drop below 1% this year.
China I think has 8%.

The world tires of our constant regime changes, bombings, wars, bullying, sanctions on over 30 cpuntries, killing and killing in other countries over lies.
But especially sanctions.
China will be the next empire, indeed they are almost that already with their Silk Road Imitiative.
It is far too late to save the petrodollar.

We should come home, stop trying to destroy Russia and China, and make this country great again. Long overdue except 4 years of Trump.

I am tired if empire building and trying to rule the world.
Let’s fix this country instead.

[sauropod]

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[ought-six]

“China will be the next empire.... I am tired if (sic) empire building and trying to rule the world.”

So, you’d rather China be the dominant “empire?” They are communists, you know. But, perhaps you are okay with that. You call for putting our own house in order, and with that I agree. However, do you really want the US to be subservient and under the thumb of China? Because, even if we “get our own house in order,” without our supremacy we are at the mercy of the ChiComs. That is not a future I would look forward to.

[Tallguy]

Sea Powers (Britain, US, Athens) tend to be socially liberal; Land Powers (Russia, Prussia, Sparta, China?) tend to be reactionary & authoritarian. If China had a couple hundred years of seaborne trade to draw upon the world might have a peaceful transition like we had between Britain & the US over the course of WW2. But I suspect we don’t have that kind of time.

[ought-six]

“Sea Powers (Britain, US, Athens) tend to be socially liberal...”

I think, in a very broad sense, that is true. But, there are exceptions. For instance, for many years Japan was a sea power, though it concentrated on the Pacific and the southern seas. Japan was the farthest thing from being socially liberal. Also, Spain was a great sea power back in the 15th and 16th centuries, but it was hardly socially liberal.

You left out the Phoenicians. For their time, they were the greatest sea power the world had ever seen up to that point, and for quite some time beyond. They were arguably “socially liberal,” at least for their time.

[MarMema]

Nobody is talking about subservient.

[ought-six]

“Nobody is talking about subservient.”

Hell, I don’t even want to be on a par with China. If there is going to be a dominant Empire, I want it to be us.

[MarMema]

Its too late.

[woodpusher]

We aren’t provoking @#$%. If anything, China has been the source of any provocation; it’s been openly threatening its neighbors for years.

Taiwan is not recognized as an independent state by China, the UN, or the United States. Taiwan's representatives were expelled from the United Nations fifty-one years ago as being unlawful. The US has adopted the one-China policy. We have no legal right to send a politician in an official government plane to visit anywhere in China without permission from the government of China.

If Nancy were to obtain a visa and take a commercial flight to visit as a tourist, engaging in no official political business, no problem.

The only countries who maintain diplomatic relations with Taiwan are Belize, Eswatini (formerly Swaziland), Haiti, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Saint Kttts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and Tuvalu.

https://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/2758(XXVI)

United Nations Proclamation 2758

2758 (XXVI). Restoration of the lawful rights of the People’s Republic of China in the United Nations

The General Assembly,

Recalling the principles of the Charter of the United Nations,

Considering that the restoration of the lawful rights of the People’s Republic of China is essential both for the protection of the Charter of the United Nations and for the cause that the United Nations must serve under the Charter,

Recognizing that the representatives of the Govern­ment of the People’s Republic of China are the only lawful representatives of China to the United Nations and that the People’s Republic of China is one of the five permanent members of the Security Council,

Decides to restore all its rights to the People’s Re­public of China and to recognize the representatives of its Government as the only legitimate representatives of China to the United Nations, and to expel forthwith the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations and in all the organizations related to it.

1976th plenary meeting, 25 October 1971.

[ought-six]

We have trade relations with Taiwan, and agreements to arm it for its own defense. We’ve had that since the early 1950s. Communist China may not like it, but it has accepted it for some 70 years.

You also forget that Taiwan believes that it IS China, and the legitimate government of China; and that the communists are the illegitimate government of China. Remember, the Chinese nationalists never surrendered to the communists in the Chinese Civil War; they are still IN China (though concentrated in a very small area of China).

[ought-six]

“Its too late.”

As I said previously: You can surrender any time you want, and bow and kneel before your Chinese masters.

Me? I don’t believe in surrenders; I am not wired that way; it is not in my DNA.

[woodpusher]

We have trade relations with Taiwan, and agreements to arm it for its own defense. We’ve had that since the early 1950s. Communist China may not like it, but it has accepted it for some 70 years.

We accepted, and continue to accept the one-China concept. Officially, Taiwan was thrown out of the United Nations over 50 years ago as an unlawful government.

The United States maintains no formal relations with Taiwan. We hold formal diplomatic relations with China. No government has ever simultaneously maintained formal diplomatic ties with both China and Taiwan. China refuses to maintain diplomatic relations with anyone who recognizes Taiwan. The United States severed diplomatic relations with Taiwan in order to establish diplomatic relations with China.

U.S. Statement on Diplomatic Recognition of the PRC

December 15, 1978

As of January 1, 1979, the United States of America recognizes the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China.

In the future, the American people and the people of Taiwan will maintain commercial, cultural and other relations without official government representation and without diplomatic relations. The Administration will seek adjustments to our laws and regulations to permit the maintenance of commercial, cultural, and other non-governmental relationships in the new circumstances that will exist after normalization. The United States is confident that the people of Taiwan face a peaceful and prosperous future. The United States continues to have an interest in the peaceful resolution of the Taiwan issue and expects that the Taiwan issue will be settled peacefully by the Chinese themselves.

U.S.-PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Normalization Communique)

January 1, 1979

The United States of America recognizes the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China. Within this context, the people of the United States will maintain cultural, commercial, and other unofficial relations with the people of Taiwan.

The Government of the United States of America acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

Who is the accredited U.S. ambassador to Taiwan? Where is the U.S. embassy in Taiwan?

You also forget that Taiwan believes that it IS China, and the legitimate government of China;

I do not forget that both sides recognize the one China concept. Taiwan is the approximate size of Long Island, NY. China is the approximate size of the United States.

It is a matter of public record that Taiwan possesses delusions of grandeur. Likewise, it is a matter of public record that the United States officially recognizes the PRC as the sole legal government of China, maintains no diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and its trade relations you seem obsessed with, are without official government representation.

Plain and simple, Taiwan is not a recognized state. It is not recognized by China, the United States, or the United Nations. You purposely make believe that your laundry list of claims changes the status of Taiwan.

[ought-six]

“Plain and simple, Taiwan is not a recognized state. It is not recognized by China, the United States, or the United Nations. You purposely make believe that your laundry list of claims changes the status of Taiwan.”

Not at all, Sparky. Show me specifically where I “changed the status” of Taiwan. I said the nationalist government says it is the legitimate government of Taiwan. I didn’t say the US says that; I didn’t say the UN says that. I said nothing about Taiwan being an independent and sovereign nation separate and distinct from mainland China. So, show me where I made a laundry list of claims that changed the status of Taiwan. You are assuming facts not in evidence, which is typical of kneejerk reactors who then cut-and-paste cites to try and support your invalid argument.

So, please show where I changed the status of Taiwan, or said it was anything other than what it is internationally recognized to be.

You made the claim. Prove it.

[ought-six]

“Plain and simple, Taiwan is not a recognized state. It is not recognized by China, the United States, or the United Nations. You purposely make believe that your laundry list of claims changes the status of Taiwan.”

Not at all, Sparky. Show me specifically where I “changed the status” of Taiwan. I said the nationalist government says it is the legitimate government of China. I didn’t say the US says that; I didn’t say the UN says that. I said nothing about Taiwan being an independent and sovereign nation separate and distinct from mainland China. So, show me where I made a laundry list of claims that changed the status of Taiwan. You are assuming facts not in evidence, which is typical of kneejerk reactors who then cut-and-paste cites to try and support your invalid argument.

So, please show where I changed the status of Taiwan, or said it was anything other than what it is internationally recognized to be.

You made the claim. Prove it.

[ought-six]

See my Post#39.