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To: JonPreston

15 posted on 06/04/2022 1:13:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

interesting map. the 7 pink states are where the action is at.
If Rus get Luhansk then start negotiations: Rus would have 100% Luhansk, 50% Kharkov and Donetsk,75% Kherson and zapporiza , 0 - Mykolav and Odessa.
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Do you think Putin would trade his half of Kharkov for the other half of Donetsk ??
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Z would have 3.5 of 7 ,remain in power and have ports.. maybe declare victory and go home?


67 posted on 06/04/2022 2:35:05 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Travis McGee

This war was obvious.

Every aspect of it.

It was like a chess game where you know who will make what moves before even the first pawn is moved.

Russia will only take the ethnic Russian areas because after they deal with the “insurgents” we trained and armed, the fight is over, i.e. the local population generally supports the Russian side. If Russia goes into the Ukraine nationalist areas, that would spell trouble (long term resistance and the need for expenditure of resources).

But here is what is perplexing: Ukraine will come out of this with a screwed up economy, thousands dead, millions displaced, fear by future investors, it’s armed forces depleted, infrastructure damaged, a major industrial area and port city missing, and all of this because allegedly it was that important for them to join NATO, “which they will not.” So what did Ukraine get out of this? When they pulled the slot machines handle, they were hoping to see NATO appear in that window. But did they ever consider that there was about a 95% chance of getting something else?

RISK = probability x magnitude.

When Ukraine went down that road the probability of war was high, the magnitude of the damage horrific.

Which brings up the next business concept: ROI.

The ROI for Ukraine was real, NATO membership is a big deal. But in the grand scheme of things, Ukraine already had a special deal worked out with the EU. NATO was already playing with them low key. They were already being armed by us and others... It wasn’t like this was all or nothing or that Ukraine had nothing to lose. They had a good thing going for themselves... How did any of this make sense in terms of Return On Investment?

This was a war which a prudent leader would not have sailed towards. Some storms are unavoidable. But this shit storm is nothing but self inflicted damage. Stupid.


90 posted on 06/04/2022 4:21:12 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Travis McGee

You should learn Russian and Ukrainian history, rather than posting Neo-Stalinist lies.


101 posted on 06/04/2022 7:32:49 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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